There are days when my mind is skimming rocks across the pond, not enough for a plate full of rant, just enough for a few glancing blows across the bow. I sent my men off hunting today, the house is empty, and I can now see the benefits of twitter – short, sweet outrageous bites of ripe words.
Holdren should be strung up high by his gonads. This incompetent spawn of political persuasion has no business running Justice. We’ve been given a man who’s plays hopscotch using widely interpretive federal law as a rock to be tossed serving nothing more than Obama’s current scatological executive prerogative.
Michelle Obama is plum ugly. Ton’s of posts this week on the woman’s poor fashion sense and major backlash against the mainstream press promoting her non-existent X factor grade of no-where-near pretty. This woman is unfortunately ugly. Yes, she’s fit and thinnish, but the woman’s uglier than my dog’s hind end. Which is surprising considering that our successful boy wonder is no where near ugly. Why would this ambitious, handsome man marry someone so unattractive? I figure it’s some sort of liberal hair shirt badge of male honor.
Sarah Palin. I won’t be reading her book, she didn’t write it and I could not care less about last year’s campaign trail. She’s a private citizen now, smartly cashing in on circumstance. I wish her well in her commercial endeavors, may she reap the beast of public consumption and grow fabulously rich. God help us if her populist drivel ever takes hold, the republic has already been raped to shreds by enough simplistic, pluralist pro-democracy political hacks baying “people power” to the ignorant masses.
This country’s smart modern day conservatives imagine that the perpetual promised land of America’s founders is based on a few simple premises; a place where were we are free to achieve, innovate, excel, cash in, choose and create a life without interference from the state. The people who believe in these tenets have no need of populist politicians, yet they continuously embrace their alarmist calls as a last measure, furthering the state into more regulation of man’s freedom.
Populism is the antithesis of conservatism, it’s more socialist happy juice for the underclass, a jizz of simplistic dogma that appeals to ignorant voters, a simple knock down, two step of soft moves for the people, by the people. You’ll never have independence when you indicate a willingness to bow to the will of a self-serving, tax-less people. The masses will annihilate your every avenue of success out of sheer, ruthless perversity. They’ll vote for your demise out of blind spite. The founders knew this core truth of human nature.
The conservative brands do it as well as the liberal ones, it’s all about feeding the state. Our girl Palin is busy shoveling heaping dumb bucketfuls of bromides to that ancient beast of polity. I happened upon a ridiculous post today equating her in fond terms with Thomas Paine. I was appalled at how many ignorant people were lapping this shit up. Are you fucking kidding me? Paine and Palin? That’s a partnership that would cause most true conservatives to grab some rope if they didn’t immediately succumb to congestive heart failure.
I would be a happy woman if I saw more people going rogue, questioning the people and parties in power, taking a large step back from the personal and giving the direction of our country a clear hard, dispassionate look. Yeah, that would be good.
Interesting thoughts, Daphne
I offered substantial, well-tempered discussion here.
Thank you Smitty. I’ll be happy to counter over your at site.
Should we really slap on some “rouge” and go red-cheeked into that good night…. or will going rogue without foundation suffice?
Daphne, I’m with you for paragraphs one through three.
Have to side w/Mr. McCain and Smitty on Sarah, however. I recall that she did a pretty good job blowing up the Republican party in Alaska.
Sincerely,
Heh. We’re pretty much on the same page, Daph. God save us from saviours… of any political stripe.
I eagerly await Mr. Freeberg’s rejoinder. (insert big-ass grin here)
Overall, I agree. Until people think for themselves we’ll be stuck with slogans, bumperstickers and populist pap. Unfortunately, the chances of a voting majority thinking for themselves is pretty slim. When they do think, it is about how they can keep the handouts they have been conditioned to depend upon. A serf class is already well on the way to being an established majority.
Respect for oneself and the recognition that such is important and comes only from undertaking to maintain oneself without handouts is the first step, but it is easier to eat the bread and watch the circuses. I am not hopeful.
The only points of disagreement I have are:
I like Sarah Palin, though I’m not going to read her book either. I think she’s far from Presidential material and she does tend to rely far too much on populism. But so far anyway, I think she is honestly who she is. That may be someone filled with nothing but populist pap, but I think what you see is what you get with her. At least so far. She *is* a politician after all. I do however, agree with your point about her just adding to the problems we have right now.
And I don’t think Michelle is ugly. She’s not pretty and she isn’t beautiful and she seems to have an ugly attitude that carries into her outward appearance. She certainly isn’t the model the press tries to make her out to be. But I think she has strong features and is a handsome woman – when she can get away from Klingon boobie belts, scowling and generally trying to set fashion standards when she has no idea what looks good on her. I point to the gown she wore for the ridiculous dinner in a tent. I thought she looked quite nice in that. But it was way overdressed for dinner in a tent so she keeps her record of being inappropriately dressed for any event. :)
Borrow the book and read p. 405.
That’s my rejoinder.
:)
Although I like Sarah Palin, something in particular she said on the campaign trail really, really bothered me. Something akin to : Children with Down’s Syndrome will have a special voice in the WH if I am elected(no quotation marks, I’m paraphrasing). That bothered me.
I am a charitable person with my own money. I choose who it goes to. Children with DS get a very large piece of the Special Ed pie already. I know, my daughter has two friends with DS, both of who have their own personal minder who follows them throughout the school day and for after-school activities. They are bussed all over, to whatever activities their worker determines they need, and their healthcare needs are paid for by the state and fed taxpayers. I have seen otherwise conservative people get hooked on government cheese in just this fashion.
The point I am attempting to make is that for a VP to be an advocate for a situation that personally benefits them is as repugnant as any other conflict of interest situation.
Christopher Reeve got away with it, I don’t see what Palin’s mojo should be righteously taken-down over the same thing.
You people are all falling into the same trap. The leftists come out with their “I’m backing this stupid policy but that makes me a better person…” You can see the policies are stupid, you say it out loud that the policies are stupid — and yet you think that’s all it takes to properly buttress your conservative credentials. Time comes to decide who’s a decent person and who isn’t, and suddenly good upbringing means echoing the liberal talking points. Oh yeah, so-and-so is backing bad policies but he’s still an alright guy. And there’s something oh so sinister about Sarah Palin.
I wish we lived in a time where it was okay, somewhere, to intone the obvious: This-or-that liberal policy is deleterious and damaging, and furthermore it doesn’t make you a better person. Nor does it make you a bad person when you oppose it. There’s just no correlation between the two. I personally know all kinds of sweethearts who are full of integrity and honesty, who have & support all sorts of dumb ideas, and fall for whatever stupid crap is sold to them over and over again. There are some real creeps out there who, when they say what needs to be done and what has to happen, are simply saying what can no longer be denied.
Daphne, when you get hold of that book check out p. 385 as well.
You people are all falling into the same trap.
(sigh) Disagreement with or wariness about something/anything or someone/anyone is not prima facie evidence of “falling into a trap.” You’d take serious offense if one of us P-skeptics were to accuse you of “drinking the Palin Kool-Aid” now, wouldn’t you? So please don’t be going on about how gullible we seem to be.
Besides… it’s awfully damned early to be thinking about presidential elections and candidates for same. And this is what all the Palin hype is about, innit? “P12″ Heh.
Palin did a triple outside ratf** on the GOP in Alaska and then made big oil cry like a baby. She then made both groups chant, “Thank-You Ma’am, May I have another?” And when the democrats thought they’d had her backed into a corner, she left them holding the bag.
A lot of people have gone to the mat with her and come back with their shorts around their ankles, their shirt stuffed in their mouth, and their butt chapped.
There is something maddening about Palin, but there is also something appealing about her.
Last night I was nestled on the couch in front of the fire, kids fast asleep in their beds, and in a rare dopey state of blissful inebriation. I called up the wordpress feed and embarked on the mental journey of what seemed like the best rant you’ve penned so far. It seemed like, instead of a well thought out, crafted piece as you sometimes hatch, it was more of an off-the-cuff, venom spurting machine gun rapid fire. I remember thinking, I’m too drunk to take this all in right now, but it was cracking me up. It was also delicious and masterful all at once. So I needed to come back and read it again today, just to be sure it wasn’t me.
Yes, you sure did it!!!
And since I’m not really writing to address the meaning of the words you made, but rather the skills, I’ll follow suit with typical commenting by interjecting my worthless opinions: I agree with all of your points, with the exception of the Holden situation, which I don’t know anything about, and the typo in the Michelle Obama paragraph.
Now that we’ve been through some elections, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to dissemble what goes into them. Sort of a slice-and-dice for forensic analysis. Walk through it with me, Buck m’friend, and then let’s see if you still think it’s unreasonably early.
Step 1: We eliminate the undesirables. This guy’s a fringe, that guy’s a kook, this guy over here is a fringe-kook. He let a dog shit on his car. She’s a whore. He doesn’t have “fire in the belly” or some such. He’s thick. He’s slow. He’s too southerner. He’s too northerner. He talks funny.
This guy over here is drawing less than one percent of the votes…so he’s out.
Step 2: We hold our noses and choose the best out of what’s left.
Step 1 is decided by some one-to-four percent of us, no more than that. They are delegates, they are columnists, they are pundits, they are…some kind of kingmaker.
Step 2 is decided by the rest of us.
Here’s my point. We *never* feel good about Step 2. We spew forth, reliable as rain, with passionate speeches about picking the lesser-of-two-evils. And more speeches about “is this the best we can find??” And — this part just makes me LOL about you Palin-haters, it really does — someone comes up with a speech about “Where do they FIND these people?? None of them live in the real world!” And indeed they don’t. Narrow neckties, focus-group tested phrases, “At This Particular Point In Time” at the beginning of every paragraph, blinking eighty times a minute, and the “Oh YES, absolutely, I agree totally with that, the climate is out of control and we’ve got to do something! I just don’t think the Democratic plan goes far enough!”
So we hold our nose and pull the lever for whoever offends us the least. Wondering who in the hell picks these loser candidates for us.
Who’s picking them? The people who are working their fingers to the bone trying to eliminate Sarah Palin RIGHT FREAKING NOW.
Buck, I can’t believe you just did it again. Smeared Sarah Palin without smearing her. All this time you’ve had to come up with a substantial reason why she’s less appealing than Mitt or Rudy. You won’t even go so far as to say she’s a dimwit. You know I respect you enormously for your refusal to throw mud, I think it’s a testimony to Mrs. Pennington having raised you right. But if that means you live in the real world, then where’s the meritocracy? She seems to have done a better job taking care of Alaska than Mitt has done taking care of Massachusetts…and she ties with Rudy’s stewardship of NYC. Certainly she beats The Holy One’s caretaking of the union since this January.
We’re all sick and tired of weird, other-worldly elitist snobs choosing our candidates for us. The way I see it, only Palin fans really act like we’re sick and tired of it, and have what it takes do something about it. Right now. When it counts.
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…about you Palin-haters…
A play on Tonto’s famous line comes to mind here (“What do you mean ‘WE,’ Kemo-Sabe?”). I’m not a frickin’ Palin-hater, I’m a goddamned Palin SKEPTIC. I’m not convinced… and it’s gonna take a whole helluva lot to convince me she’s up to being where you’d like or want her to be. I don’t hate the woman. I actually like her… she IS eminently likable — one of her plusses. But being likable isn’t a qualification for becoming POTUS.
Her being governor of a state with less than ten percent of NYC’s population and a tiny fraction of its problems (that goes for Mass, as well) just ain’t that big a deal to me. Hell, just dealing with the damned NYC garbage collectors union or its police force was probably tougher than running all of Alaska. Your Palin/Giuliani/Romney comparison is apples/oranges as far as complexity and size of the respective organizations go. As for the other bits, specifically the “it’s not too early” piece, I suspect that most of the one-to-four-percent of people you maintain give ANY thought at all to 2012 live inside the Beltway. The rest of us pretty much don’t give a big rat’s ass right now. Present company excepted, of course.
Buck,
She got the new pipeline built. That is more than anyone has done in Alaska in the last 40 years.
Getting something done is a lot harder than talking about it. I’ve taken over projects that sat around for years until someone came in and made a decision to do something. I was not the smartest guy in the room, but I knew something no one else did – that we had to get something done.
I’d rather have the angels doing miracles than dancing on the head of a pin.
What do you mean by “populism”?
Under my definition, Ronald Reagan rode a populist wave into office in 1980, and the 52 seats the Republicans won in 1994 to take control of the House for the first time since senators wore togas was certainly a populist reaction to Clinton’s tax hike bill in 1993, among other things.
Populism underlies the “Tea Party” movement, which is not at all marginal, despite what derisive NY Times and Washington Post pundits would have you believe, and I predict it will be extremely important (especially in regard to foot solders) in next year’s election cycle.
If you look at the states where “populism” has significant adherents, they are rich in electoral votes. That alone gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside, one that easily overcomes my occasional distaste for the overarching adulation showered upon the likes of Sarah Palin or Mike Huckabee.
If there is a populism that is enthusiasm for truly limited government, I am for it. And I think there is; maybe 20% of the voting public, maybe. That would be enough, too, with the coming catastropes to teach men to distrust their own opinions, and a prepared and exceptional leadership to illuminate the way. That is not Palin, and perhaps not anyone in elected office. How could it be, eighty years into the revolution? We speak in a language formed by our enemies, and are left to make their desructive programs work for them. That is what the conservative is reduced to. Doing a thing better that should not be done in the first place is not a plan.
With all the ‘white-ass’ Baraq nailed in collage, not all of them girls, why, indeed, would he marry something like a Michelle? Hey, why would she marry him?
In the grand tradition of Bill and Hillary; political convenience.
SHE: With the decadent state of black men in Chicago, and time running out on her biological clock, Baraq must have seemed like a gift, cool, clean-cut, and semi-literate. She couldn’t marry one of her own since they wouldn’t have her.
HE: A father-in-law with inside connections would pave the way to political stardom. Baraq pinched his nose and jumped in.
The rest, as they say, is history. However, history keeps chugging along to today and beyond.
HE: An effeminate gutless cardboard cut-out puppet bowing to allah.
SHE: The most dangerous man in the world.
We have to go to battle with the politicians we have not the politicians we want. You need to make the distinction between the kind of populism “preached” by John Edwards and that of a Sarah Palin.
Can we all just keep one thing in mind about the status quo?
The current President remains highly popular — okay, moderately popular — personally. His policies are rightfully loathed by everyone paying attention.
So the status quo is: If the guy at the top has a likable personality, you can pass on through any rotgut shit you want whether “The People” like it or not. That, arguably, has been the job of every single democrat party nominee since 1932. Be likable enough that you can be used as a device to hammer through bad ideas that wouldn’t have a prayer otherwise.
I get the impression Buck & friends are making fun of we who see promise in Palin, for our reprehensible judgment in deciding what’s a likable personality and what isn’t. How could you like her: She acts like a dotty old aunt with her midwestern accent and her Tina Fey glasses…this misses the point. Speaking just for myself, I have no affinity for dotty-old-aunts, I long for a return to the days when personality didn’t matter. When it was all about the wisdom of the policy.
We have no avenue to salvation in any other direction. When we forget about the policies, we end up with policies that say…hey let’s cut the unemployment rate by scaring the shit out of the businesses and taking all the stability out of our economy…let’s fight the deficit by borrowing lots of money…let’s get big government under control by means of a six trillion dollar “health care” plan.
Put Palin’s spirit and worldview in the body of some chubby middle-aged plumber with a hairy ass crack sticking out of his jeans, and I’d vote for that guy too.
Again, I’m just speaking for me. I don’t think I’m the only one though.
“Put Palin’s spirit and worldview in the body of some chubby middle-aged plumber with a hairy ass crack sticking out of his jeans, and I’d vote for that guy too.
Again, I’m just speaking for me. I don’t think I’m the only one though.”
I’m reading her book, ghost written or no, who cares? It’s still her and so far she’s showing to be one hell of a woman.
I’m reminded that when the leaders of ancient Israel became fat, crooked, useless traitors to God and His People and there was NO MAN left to take the reigns of power and rule the country God raised up a woman. It was noted that in part the woman was installed to shame the nation but those women got the job done and saved the people from self destruction.
I’d trust Palin with the Ball before I’d trust ANY GOP inside political hack. There’s not ONE MAN among them.
I-RIGHT-I, Right f*#$k’in on. I’m saving your quote.
I am not a fan of Madame Obama politically. Her few ventures into the arena in terms of political statements have been weak. But she isn’t the elected official, same as Laura Bush (who seemed a very nice lady) and therefore I am not going to get very concerned over her. I don’t share Daphne’s distaste for her features, but I presume that is a reaction in part to the fawning over her by various media types.
Palin is a political figure. I don’t like her. I don’t like her fake populism, and I think she certainly does more damage to the Republican Party than credit. Romney and Guliani were each flawed in different ways, but Palin has no experience, ideas or intellect ot compare to either.
I think we have to come to terms with the fact that we are in an era of crappy politicians (The Least Generation), with nary a true statesman among them. And as a People, we share a lot of the blame for that.
Are we going to play a game, already lost eighty years ago, with a better candidate, or are we going to change the game? Do we know what the game is? Socialist are not ingenious, they are only relentless, an obsessive reflection of their fear and hatred of man, love of power, and poverty of soul. With the immense Permanent Government of the New Deal, a new President will do what?
I am not deaf to the importance of managing a disaster, but we should not imagine it is more than that. This thing grows without effort or attention, and it merely consumes it’s enemies by putting them to work for it.
If the American Revolution can find it’s way again it can only be in first addressing our true condition, not in playing a game that is already lost. The opportunities are tremendous, stored under the weight of the compressed springs of human ingenuity.
Sarah Palin has the temperment, that is what we like about her. But she has not learned the lessons. Someone asked, what does it matter if she wrote her own book? It matters tremendously. We are playing their game.
According to Answers.com, “populism” is:
Can someone tell me what exactly is wrong with this political philosophy, so much so that labeling Sarah Palin and her admirers with it is supposed to be an insult? Then again, if you’re one of the crowd who likes being led around by the nose by a slick, smooth-talking con-man and his crowd of grifters, because his skin color is “in” this year, and because he’s gone to all the “right” schools and knows all the cool people, then I can see why the idea of ordinary people trying to buck the trendy and powerful distresses you so. Or is it just that she doesn’t seem to have had a problem with pregnancy weight gain?
I admit I like Sarah Palin. She’s not at all like me. I’m bookish and introverted and in general the sort of person you’d expect to find in a coffee shop huddled in a corner with an extra large mocha latte reading her email on her iMac. But I have never been able to afford Apple’s products, and I am glad to say the process of removing my high-school prejudices against the “mundanes” was successful many years ago. I laughed in glee at the consternation Palin causes among the crowd of my once-fellow trendars. I don’t care if she ever runs for office: seeing the roaches scurry frantically across the floor whenever her light shines on them is good enough.
[...] be because they are thinking for themselves” tarpit. Or as I put it in the comments here: According to Answers.com, “populism” is: A political philosophy supporting the rights and [...]
Andrea – because Palin’s populism is contrived. She has less respect for the “real people” than her detractors could ever have. She uses the populism label and rogue label to cover up her lack of ability. I don’t think she’s uttered an independent policy idea in her brief career. She is also woefully out of her depth in the major international and national issues of the day. I’d welcome a thoughtful conservative voice, but hers is clearly not.
And you base your assertions, mahons, on… what exactly? I don’t follow her news all that much, so I’ve missed the revelations that she’s been seen cackling with her handlers over how she’s fooled the gullible American public. I’m sure you’ve got something, though, that can back up your claim of her lack of “respect for the real people.”
As for her “lack of ability” in everything the In Crowd deems important… well, all I can say from what I’ve read, she leaves Big Brained Obama in the dust when it comes to common sense and the ability to adjust to circumstances and learn from her mistakes. Oh — I forgot: Obama Sees All, Knows All, and thus doesn’t need to adjust to anything — rather, it is the world that must adjust to Obama! If the Emperor of Japan can’t remember how to bow properly — well, that’s just his lookout!
Mahons said:
“Andrea – because Palin’s populism is contrived. She has less respect for the “real people” than her detractors could ever have.”
What kind of world do you live in? The reason many people get a tribal, gut level reaction against her is because she is a redneck and proud of it.
I would agree that she lacks international policy experience, and is provincial. She also expects to be treated fairly. That is naive.
Original policies – she did WIN the governorship in Alaska as a GOP insurgent. She did clean the budget up. Ditching the Lear jet, getting the new pipeline put in, and telling big-oil no sounds pretty original to me. That’s more than her predecessors.
Andrea – well for starters I tend to seek sources a little more detailed than Answers.com.
And I don’t recall advancing the notion that Obama is all seeing. At the moment he seems pretty mediocre to me.
It is clear to those who do follow the news, as you indicated you don’t, that she hasn’t in fact fooled the American Public, just some of it. The some of the people all of the time crowd.
Austin – Well I live in a World that is not flat and wasn’t created only a couple thousand years ago, and where beer is a glorious invention.
I don’t think people mind rednecks per se, I certainly don’t. Heck Bill Clinton had more red neck bona fides than Sarah.
Winning office is not a policy. And her “insurgency” against the Alaska GOP was mixed with a great deal of chummy relations. And she hardly accomplished anything of significance before she quit on the people who voted her in.
I am not sure that accomplishing more than her predecessors (even if we accept that as the case) is any great accomplishment.
Wow, you have hit all the clichés. Do you have any original ideas, or will that get you kicked out of the Inner Ring? (By the way, there is no need to capitalize “World.”)
“It is clear to those who do follow the news,…”
That would be the sensationalist news media that treated (and still treats, for the most part) Obama like he was the Messiah and anyone who didn’t parrot the view that the sun shone out of the Won’s behind was anathema? Excuse me if I don’t exactly respect someone who gets their opinions from “the news.”
And actually, Austin, I don’t get that “she’s a redneck” feeling. But then, I’m not a redneck — I was born and grew up in Miami, Florida, which is hardly known for its redneck culture. She actually seems like most of the ordinary, middle-class girls I went to (yes) high school with — they took the regular high school classes, belonged to the volleyball team and things like that but weren’t really part of the “jock” clique, when it came time to pick either home ec or art picked home ec, might have helped out on the yearbook committee but weren’t in charge of it, usually were prominent in school groups that focused on practical do-gooder things like cleaning up litter or teaching first aid, took the bus or had their parents drop them off for class, were neither part of the popular crowd nor shunned and ignored loners, went the community college to university rather than go through SAT hell, etc.
And the things she says don’t strike me as being simplistic and rednecky, but practical and straightforward. I don’t particularly care what her religious beliefs are but they seem to be mainstream Christian not wacky cultish Christian like the press has tried to paint her. (Note to some people here who might not know this: mainstream Christians don’t believe in Young Earth Creationism, which is the belief that God created the universe only about six thousand or so years ago. This seems to be a cause of real anxiety for liberals, I don’t know why, it’s easy enough to look up. You could even try this newfangled internet thing, I hear it has a lot of information.)
Well Andrea, the thing I most like about Sarah Palin (aside from her delicious hotness) is her uncanny gift for driving liberals bat-shit crazy.
For that reason alone I’d vote for her if she ran for president, unless, of course, someone was running who could actually win.
I grew up in Miami, too, Latin somewhat intellectual, the fact that she saw through Obama when everyone else was still ooing and aaing, over his brilliance, when all I could see was an ill tempered drifter with wannabe demagogue tendencies, the kind my family had a sad encounter with 50 years ago, in another land. His mentors in Wright, Ayers, Bell, and Co, don’t reassureda me. In fact they scare the hell out of me.
As to the brilliant GOP lineup that we would be foregoing, if we just didn’t have to even think about her. As Nelson Muntz would say, ha ha. Huckabee who is giving Dukakis
a chance at self improvement. Romney the smooth talking
Don Draper manque, who approved of the sacking of the GM management by the President, how’d that work out again How about Sanford, who I must admit surprised me, but not in a positive way.
So, one is supposed to judge her by the standards of Plato’s Parable of the Cave, accept the images that CBS
and ABC and the shrill Fey concocted, and the brain dead
McCain campaign assented to. Don’t let reality get in the way of our preconceptions
She could win. And then, what?
Exactly, James.
Meet the new boss,
Same as the old boss.
Some of you die hard Palin fans are starting to scare me.
And if she did win? Although it’s silly to speculate about something so unlikely, I’d be far more comfortable with a Sarah Palin presidency than I am with the current Barry Obama disaster.
Daphne, you can’t blame Palin for her fans. We live in a celebrity culture so vulgar, juvenile and pathetic that any politician (or book author, for that matter) hoping to gain a national audience has endure its moronic fringe. Give her a break.
And hey, maybe the babe in the photo wasn’t just insane….maybe she and her husband were preparing for some sexual role-play….using a Sarah Palin outfit instead of the usual french maid or catholic school girl getup.
One can only hope.
Daphne,
Sometimes I don’t understand what scares you.
If you were to make a list of political candidates with scary fans, how many names would have to go on it above Palin’s? More to the point, what’s the scariest thing you’ve ever seen a Palin fan do?
Saying “I don’t think so” when someone trots out the “I know she’s stupid because Katie Couric made her look like a fool” meme — doesn’t count.
I probably missed the part where the Jaded one is turned off from Palin by her fans, who at their least sophisticated level have not the propensity for doing the obsessivly destructive things which mark the highly mis-educated “progressive” voter, and are the salt of America.
For myself, I would rather select 535 people and one executive to rule me from trailer parks than from the Harvard faculty, thank you Bill.
The point is this: we’re already beat, but are still playing a game where the outcome has been fixed as we slept. Absent a group of people–not an individual– who understand that and can sing in tune, we are only trading places with the enemy. The last Constitutional President was Calvin Coolidge.
As a man said, nothing is more destructive than doing something competently that should never have been done iin the first place. Perhaps Palin is competent to rule over what Roosevelt and Obama erect, where Obama is certainly not. That is no recommendation.
Why is it that we need more evidence?
Sorry for the delay, Morgan.
I find it disturbing when conservatives begin behaving like liberals. You all are discussing Sarah Palin as the next potential President, a person that you would like see elected to the highest office in the land to represent conservative, limited government values that places the constitution and people first, not the office holder…and many of you are treating her like a celebrity, a rock star, not as a serious statesman or legitimate reformer.
When you, a highly intelligent, rational man that I admire and call friend, say things like, “She’s standing between us and disaster, and she deserves our support.”, I worry that you that have lost all perspective of Mrs. Palin’s honest abilities, in addition to the even more worrisome fact that you seem to have forgotten how our government works. (Or doesn’t actually work)
When I see Mr. Gedaliya, an equally intelligent person, discuss her in such joking sexual terms or her fans parading around in fawning drag queen imitation, I have a difficult taking time her supporters seriously. Frankly, I wonder if you people have any business voting at all.
You seem to have turned her into some supra celebrity star, sex goddess and magical helper all rolled into one.
What exactly do you think she could accomplish if elected in 2012? Exactly what disaster is she going to avert? Tell me how she’s going to be different from any other president in the last fifty years, Morgan. And after you’ve made your list, tell me how she’s going to shove this magical pill down D.C.’s throat?
And clicking your heels three times while saying I believe, doesn’t count.
Andrea – No I won’t excuse you for not following the news, as it makes you uniformed. For instance, you might learn from it that Palin was a jock, which you’ve indicated she reminded you of girls who were not. Not too many bookish girls called Baracuda in my school.
There are enough sources of news available. If you find something biased, there are alternatives in the media. But then of course you would have to have an interest in facts.
And World is properly capitalized when describing a specific place, like Hell or Miami.
What do I think she could accomplish if elected in 2012?
If you don’t agree that Obamacare, or whatever approximation of it that get’s passed (and it will get passed – the combination of leftist activists and Chi-town gangsta that makes up the leadership of the D’s assures that) will be a disaster, skip to the next post. But if you do…
How about Jonah Goldberg’s proposition that the Rep party should promise to undo Obamacare if they get elected? Let’s say that they do that, and do get elected. Where do you think that’s going if Oboy is still riding AF1?
Name me another R that can both be elected and will sign off on that?
I wish Jim DeMint would consider running.
Or Liz Cheney . She has the best points of her mother and father both.
Or John Bolton.
Mahon is relying on the much discredited ‘Kilkenny letter, as disposition of Sarah’s mindset., well it took in Matt Damon, but then he’s a Harvard drop out and Zinn worshipper. Also rape kits debunked, books banned, also bupkis, try again. As for chummy relations, ask Ruedrich and Stevens about that, they still have the snowmachines
tracks on the back to prove it. There again, with Stevens,
it appears that things are not always as it seems. But it was enough to get a high school drop out, and Senate
legacy like Begich in, and he’s in the Joe Biden genius category. I like Demint, and Liz too, although it’s more important to have a full leadership team, no more Specters
or Snowes or Crists (in my neck of the woods). I’ll just venture a guess that he voted for the candidate from the Chicago machine, with a slumlord for a neighbor, a terrorist
as a colleague, and a rabblerousing preacher as a mentor.
Yep, Crist is a rino in an elephant suit.
As for snowe, she needs to go. Either that or be honest with herself and others and switch parties. Specter – he was ira einhorn’s lawyer. After defending the murderer of a lovely young woman, selling out your country is small potatoes morally, I guess.
Just an observation here; Palin supporters remind me of the most ardent Obama supporters, zealot like. I was a fan of Obama, not overly so, but I bought in to the “change” propoganda. As it turns out his critics that claimed he lacked experience were dead on and I think the proof is in the pudding. I’m begining to believe that Obama had so many rabid supporters not because they believed in him, so much as they took pleasure in watching the right foam at the mouth over him. I find the most ardent Palin supporters to be carbon copies of the Obama fans. Time and again you hear, “She scares the left”. The U.S. is in a giant Hatfield and McCoy fued. When a candidates biggest draw is how much they piss off the opposition, nobody really wins, and we get what we have now. Deservedly so.
Respectfully I disagree, I can’t speak for everyone in this clique, but we were quite aware of her accomplishment, before she ever came on the national stage. I’m still trying
to think of any that Obama had before this last season.
The Harvard Law Review, he conned the editors, His first
race he disqualifified all the opponents. His Senate race, he had the media, knock out all the main opponents and he was left with Keyes, who is not the best of the lot. Now there is a degree of this with the way Nixon and Reagan
parried against mostly non entities, even the candidates that Bush faced (Gore and Kerry) Obama is like the distillate of Kerry, Gore, Dean and McGovern, with a shinier
gloss
” I find the most ardent Palin supporters to be carbon copies of the Obama fans. ”
Given the chasm between the political philosophies of those two groups, given the diametrically opposed world view, moral and ethical underpinnings of those two groups, I’d say only an Obama voter could make such a statement.
Of course Daphne is doing her best to prove me wrong.
She speaks to ordinary people in an ordinary way. She’s had an ordinary life, untroubled by Ivy League degrees or spells as a policy wonk. She’s struggled with family problems, and does her best to overcome them. It doesn’t concern her that she has to negotiate with guys who did Harvard and Yale; she knows she can go toe-to-toe with them.
She’s not Huey Long or John Edwards, telling the common folk that she cares and that she can make the government work for them. Her supporters understand that at best we can hope that the government doesn’t work against us.
Yes, she does inspire the kind of loyalty that BHO obtained. She hasn’t said much about large national and international issues; it’s reasonable to conclude that she hasn’t thought about them much, being more concerned with issues at the state and local level. She doesn’t have a large coterie of academics penning position papers.
But she does have the common touch. And her executive actions suggest that she does have the ability to make things happen. Could she overcome her negatives enough to be elected? Well, HRC was nearly the nominee, and presumably the economic trauma that doomed McCain would have worked for her, too.
It’s still a ways to 2011, when the real race starts. I get the impression that Palin is in no hurry at all to jump back into the maelstrom. Romney fails to inspire; Huckabee may well be fatally wounded; Pawlenty has a long way to go before folks even know who he is.
The opening is there; the question is whether she wants it. I suspect she’d be perfectly happy doing what she’s doing now.
Whoever wishes to be President next term needs only to begin by pledging to obliterate the entire health care destruction act–which is not designed to start until the next Presidential term–whatever it’s final form, by executive order if necessary. Such a policy would gather voters as each new outrage splatters against the pavement. A complete platform is needed now, right now, not later. And we don’t have it. A candidate is not a platform. Like the fable, Reagan illustrated that even against entrenched interest a President will be granted three wishes by the public genie if they are made the basis of his election, and then you must generate that momentum into the rest of your plan.
Currently we have one wish, and that is not to have Obama around, which is poor use of a wish.
I find it disturbing when conservatives begin behaving like liberals. You all are discussing Sarah Palin as the next potential President, a person that you would like see elected to the highest office in the land to represent conservative, limited government values that places the constitution and people first, not the office holder…and many of you are treating her like a celebrity, a rock star, not as a serious statesman or legitimate reformer.
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What exactly do you think she could accomplish if elected in 2012? Exactly what disaster is she going to avert? Tell me how she’s going to be different from any other president in the last fifty years, Morgan. And after you’ve made your list, tell me how she’s going to shove this magical pill down D.C.’s throat?
All right, these are mostly fair critiques and questions. Bear in mind however, I say “mostly fair” because this fear of synergy and resemblance between Obama fans & Palin fans seems central to your shock, disgust and disappointment. And with all due respect, let’s have a little bit of perspective please? Holy Man was spending zillions of dollars on fake greek columns. He hired sluts as plants in His audience, so they could pretend to faint and He could make a big show of handing them bottles of water. You don’t see a difference? Really?
President Palin would be empowered and obliged to nominate holders of high political office, and appoint them with the advice and consent of the Senate. So all the nonsense about moving America to a capitalist/socialist hybrid system would go away. Ditto for the tit-for-tat, one-hand-washes-the-other, swampy part of DC politics. Palin has a reputation for fighting that stuff. Yes there’s been a lot of anger and angst about it, and some confusion and distortion; she’s run into some heat for dismissing that Monegan fellow. I’ll even concede there’s a possibility — not a substantiated one — that perhaps she could have handled it better to avoid this. Then again, it seems the only “trouble” she got into was due to her standing by a decision she made and not rolling over on it. What it all comes down to, is this: However you feel about her, the facts say she seems to deserve this reputation she has, as an effecive fighter of corruption. Nobody’s said otherwise. At least, nobody’s said otherwise and then gone on to do an adequate job of sticking to the subject.
She would be Commander in Chief of our armed forces. Here, history says she would do a satisfactory job. Probably better than George W. Bush. Again, some people say otherwise, but right after they say otherwise they go on to do something asinine. Like back Obama in the same job, for example. They don’t engage the debate, and they’re not genuinely concerned about the subject of it, which is the assurance that our military is being commanded by someone who desires and places a value upon the victory toward which they are working.
A Supreme Court Justice nominated by President Palin would likely say…erm no, I don’t see a right to an abortion in the Constitution. That Justice would then go on, I think, to say — you know what? Right to keep and bear arms? I do see that. There it is!
Shall I go on?
Now let’s turn it around. She’s supposed to lack the intellectual horsepower necessary to be President, and therefore to be Vice-President. But the people who say that, for the most part, see nothing whatsoever wrong with Delaware Dimbulb. In fact, it seems to me when the subject shifts to Mouthy Joe, the requirement that a Veep be just as qualified as the President, so he can be-ready-at-all-times which is the Veep’s only real requirement…it suddenly goes away. But leaving that aside. Why is Sarah Palin not qualified? She can’t answer Trivial Pursuit questions?
And saying “I just feel” or “everybody knows it” doesn’t count.
I agree with you, Morgan, she should have just fired him, he was being insubordinate, I guess she would have caught the same flak. I know people who know people who were ver impressed on her negotiations on the pipeline. The HK speech, which the press was locked out of, so they had to work for a livin, serves as a good start.
Her stance on support of the troops, her fight against cap n trade, th ‘death panels’ ought to count for something.
December 2, 2009 at 3:51 pm Gordon
As well said as frickin’ anything I’ve seen on the subject, anywhere.
Well done, Gordon. I particularly like your last sentence. I hope Miss Alaska feels the same way and acts accordingly.
She’s untroubled by Ivy League degrees? Certainly when one is untroubled by Ivy League Admissions, the rest follows.
Holy Man was spending zillions of dollars on fake greek columns. He hired sluts as plants in His audience, so they could pretend to faint and He could make a big show of handing them bottles of water. You don’t see a difference? Really?
I call strawman on that one, Morgan. I have never suggested or believed that Sarah Palin has staged any thing of the sort. She is not manufacturing her fan’s very real, sometimes surreal, adulation. You’re putting words in my mouth that were never spoken and you cannot equate Obama’s nauseating stagecraft with the examples I used to define what I consider to be disturbing behavior on the part of a portion of the conservative electorate’s reaction to Mrs. Palin. Apples and oranges, my friend.
I agree that she would, as president, do everything you listed in the following paragraphs. Of course, she would.
The problems Sarah (or any other potential saviour) will face remaking America into someplace that resembles our past (in terms of limited government, fiscal stability, strong manufacturing & local business base, social stability, etc.) haven’t been addressed by anyone.
I would wager that 98% of our 535 members of congress have been bought by the ruling business oligarchy, they aren’t your representatives, they work for your employers and bankers. Prying their hands off the levers of power will be nigh impossible. Go ahead, vote your rotten incumbent out, then elect one singing Sarah’s song. He’ll be bought and paid for before he’s sworn in, he’ll play CYA with your affections on the little shit, throw you some red meat when you’re paying attention (ABORTION, GUNS, TAXES) and do his true owner’s bidding, obscured under the cover of details.
These public servants will never allow any meaningful measures to pass that will bite the hand that feeds them; no repeals of legislation, no reduction of bureaucracy, no attempts to give you back your God given rights as Free Men. The rights our founding fathers decreed are dead; greed, power and deceit killed them off before most of us were even born. The political savour y’all have in mind will need to bring a large loaded gun with a serious intent to use it, if she’s determined to wrestle this country back to something even vaguely resembling the country that our parents and grandparents enjoyed.
The increasing clamor about sweeping socialism (or a capitalist/socialist hybrid) is understandable considering the recent legislation that has passed or is under consideration. Unfortunately, it’s a little too late. We’ve been a socialist nation since FDR swept that bugger in during our last depression, I guess it’s a matter of the degree that disturbs many people now. A little was fine (social security, medicare, etc.), but full blown UK style nanny state isn’t. What’s that old saying? In for a penny, in for a pound?
The conservative populace was more than willing to pile on reams of socialist legislation that restricted rights and circumcised personal responsibility along with common sense. They just called their brand of socialist pap necessary “For The Children” and “Law and Order” legislation.
I think many of you may have missed the fact that we entered a state of Fascism last year under President Bush, and President Obama has steadily furthered that lovely political system. We’re a fascist nation. Rather shocking isn’t it? How does President Palin or DeMint or Pawlenty, go about dismantling this new reality without a willing congress? Or a willing populace?
Are you ready to face armed revolt to back a determined president? Are you ready to dismantle this Republic In Name Only to get your rights back?
Sarah can’t do it just because you like the woman. Sarah can’t do it with rhetoric or populist pandering. She can’t do it with your votes or campaign contributions. Nobody can anymore. The beast is too big, too fat, too systemically corrupt.
Look, you’re still at step 6. I’m at step 9. I would embrace Ghengis Khan right now if he promised to burn D.C. to the ground, decimate the cretins we’ve elected and scatter the millions of entrenched bureaucrats to the four winds. I’d be happier if I could find a band of true men with the intellect, broad classical education, determination and sheer balls of our founding fathers who would be willing to remake my country into someplace resembling the original crew’s version.
***Morgan, I don’t care about Monegan. From what I’ve read about the man’s actions (he tased his stepson), he’s an asshole. I would have had him thrown under the jail. Now, I’ll say it again for the last time: I like Sarah Palin, I respect Sarah Palin, I think Sarah Palin is reasonably intelligent, I believe Sarah Palin means what she says, I think Sarah Palin is a moral person, I think Sarah Palin did a fine job governing her state. Sarah Palin is a fine citizen. I hope she gets as rich as Midas and finds everlasting happiness and success.
I just don’t see her being any where near capable of bringing about the transformance I believe this nation needs.
It is difficult to resolve the dismissive ” populist drivel and shoveling heaping dumb bucketfuls of bromides ” description of a person with the following partial list of their accomplishments as Governor . Quite a contrast .
Where you aware of these details ?
” Once in office, Palin took an aggressive stance toward the oil companies. Her nickname from high-school basketball, “Sarah Barracuda,” was resurrected in the press. Early in her term, she shocked oil lobbyists when she was so bold as to not show up when Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson came to Juneau to meet with her. Palin, after scrapping Murkowski’s deal, would not give Big Oil the terms they wanted, yet insisted that the companies still had an obligation under their lease to deliver gas to whatever pipeline Alaska built. She invited the oil companies to place open bids to build a pipeline, but they refused. A bid by TransCanada, North America’s largest pipeline builder, was approved by the legislature in August.
Palin also raised taxes on oil companies after Murkowski’s previous tax regime produced falling revenues in 2007, despite skyrocketing oil prices. Alaska now has some of the highest resource taxes in the world. Alaska’s oil tax revenues are expected to be about $10 billion in 2008, twice those of previous year. BP says about half its oil revenues now go to taxes, when royalty payments to the state are included. Recently, Palin approved gas tax relief for Alaskans, and paid every resident $1,200 to help ease their fuel-price burden.
Some other Palin accomplishments include supporting and signing an ethics bill passed by the Alaska legislature and creating the Alaska Health Strategies Planning Council to find innovative solutions to effectively provide access to, and help reduce the costs of, healthcare.
As governor, Palin is commander of her state’s National Guard. Not content to merely sit on the title, she traveled to Kuwait to learn about her troops’ mission there. On the return trip to Alaska, she stopped in Germany to to visit wounded soldiers in the hospital, an activity that Barack Obama did not see fit to engage in during his own overseas venture, blaming the Pentagon for his snubbing of the wounded.
More accomplishments: Gov. Palin signed a resolution in opposition to the FAA’s plan to increase taxes on aviation fuel, impose user fees and slash airport funding. Also, before Palin became governor, her predecessor Frank Murkowski had purchsed a Westwind Two business jet for the governor’s use at a $2.5 million price tag, despite the objections from the state legislature and the public. Her first order of business after taking office was to put the jet up for sale.
Palin did keep the governor’s state-owned Chevy Suburban, but she got rid of the driver, saying it was wasteful for the state to pay someone to drive her around, since she was perfectly capable of driving herself. The governor’s gourmet chef also got changed from a full-time to a seasonal-only basis because Palin considered it a luxury she didn’t think Alaskans should be paying for. Her political enemies called all this “superficial pandering.”
Alaska is the only one of America’s states which borders on two foreign countries. Sarah Palin is chief executive of our most important energy state, one which lies only a few miles from Russian territory. She has negotiated sensitive agreements on fishing rights and other matters to keep the peace up there. She’s also worked on important trade deals with other countries. She has received foreign heads of state and had discussions with them. ”
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Mahons, you’ve been exceptionally pithy lately. ;-)
I was reading through the monster thread on your fine Huckabee post last night, Pinky was in fine form. I know I’m not supposed to find her amusing, but the way she whales away at all comers makes me smile. You’re lucky she still has a crush on you. I wish she’d come visit me, the regulars would have a cow over her Irish brass.
Ooh, another thing. Remember that Daughter of God remark you made the other day? Last night the King and I were discussing this post and he, out of the blue, said the exact same thing.
So, that’s quite a different thing than your original column, where you suggested she was insincere, and just putting on an act. Now you just moved up the goal posts, so she might become President, but not return society. As for the corporatist diagnosis I concur, fascism carries a suggestion of violence, whereas other coertions are often used. I thinkl
she really wants to lead such a movement, with a title or without. Which is more what Morgan suggests
“I would be a happy woman if I saw more people going rogue, questioning the people and parties in power, taking a large step back from the personal and giving the direction of our country a clear hard, dispassionate look. Yeah, that would be good.”
More people like Palin?
I must protest the Daphne’s declaration that United States as a “fascist” state. Not only is the characterization wrong…it is silly.
Now don’t get me wrong. I don’t think she is calling the US a “Nazi” state, as I understand the difference between fascism and Nazism. And since I’ve read Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism, I’m quite aware of the dangers “fascism with a happy face” poses for the West. Even so, we are a long long way from a fascist state by any definition of the term, and I see no imminent danger of the United States “going fascist” anytime soon.
The irony here is that Daphne’s vociferous criticism of “populism,” made in the original post of this thread, decries it as a know-nothing political movement of trailer trash, celebrity-worshiping, half-witted rubes. Yet here we are, a scant 60 or so comments later, hearing Daphne echoing sentiments held by only the tiniest fringe of that selfsame movement…those who worship Sarah Palin and think Obama is a secret Muslim commie rat.
I’d say that was pretty odd, myself.
You’re right Narciso. I do believe she’s feeding you bucketloads of faux populist crap, I think she probably buys it too. No dichotomy there. Plenty of people believe their own public rhetoric, it seems to be the norm nowadays.
Morgan and the rest of you moved the goal posts – I responded. I still don’t want her to be president. If she managed to be elected, I believe you would be highly disappointed in what she could deliver.
I’m not sure she wants to lead such a movement (see Gordon above), I am sure that she wants to sell a lot of books.
The first sentence got mangled. It should say:
“I must protest Daphne’s declaration that the United States is a “fascist” state.”
Sorry about that.
No IRightI, she’s not rogue. She’s mainstream red meat.
Gedaliya, let’s take this one piece at a time. Do you subscribe to a different definition of Fascism? One that doesn’t include state buyout and control of major industry and financial services?
The state bought out one major and one minor company…GM and Chrysler, not a major industry.
As far as financial services…the US (as is should), ensures that our banking system doesn’t collapse due to either excessive or inadequate monetary liquidity. It has done this since Alexander Hamilton created the United States Bank (with a brief interruption under Andy Jackson). At various times in history the federal government has botched this up in one way or another, but at other times it has performed admirably under dangerous conditions.
I don’t think federal regulation of the money supply constitutes “control” of the banking system, as most banks are completely free (under current regulations) to lend money to whomever they want.
Does taking over Chrysler and GM and underwriting the losses of AIG and Citibank provide the evidence we need to declare the US a fascist state?
Methinks not.
Daphne,
I’ll admit I can be a little slow and stubborn when the message is one of “You should have given up hope a very long time ago.” And I find it difficult to believe that’s really what you’re trying to say, if you still think the message is worth getting across, which you so clearly do.
I do hear what you’re saying. Palin, even if she’s swept in handily in ’12, might very well end up as a Schwarzenegger: An improvement over the business-as-usual happy-talk hard-left democrat, but still powerless to keep a mass from falling over a brink after the center-of-gravity has already crossed. And some of the Palin fans do seem a little on the “Yang” side…deciding these issues based on fuzzy things like “we’re all in this together” and “there’s just something about her,” not quite so much cause-and-effect and actions-and-consequences.
Here’s the deal though: I’m not looking to have my method-of-thinking represented in the White House. In fact I can’t even comment too much on how well Palin does or doesn’t represent it. Politicians don’t think like software engineers. They think according to polls. But before they read the polls, they start with their principles and hopefully adhere to them. GWB did a pretty good job of that (although I didn’t agree with him on everything); Palin would do an even better job of it. Noticing that, and pointing it out, is not the same thing as saying once she’s in all of our problems are going to be solved. On that point, it seems you’re the one putting words into my mouth. We have to take back these seats of power as we’re able, and the Presidency happens to be the biggest one. There certainly is a lot of doubt about our nation’s continuing survival, with its current occupant being left where He is.
I call strawman on that one, Morgan. I have never suggested or believed that Sarah Palin has staged any thing of the sort.
Nor did I say you suggested such a thing. But to whatever extent the Palinism is a phenomenon, it is not nearly as unhinged as the Obamanation. Your words…
Frankly, I wonder if you people have any business voting at all. You seem to have turned her into some supra celebrity star, sex goddess and magical helper all rolled into one. What exactly do you think she could accomplish if elected in 2012?
And my answers to this were, I think, compatible with the Presidential privileges and authorities enumerated in Article II of the Constitution. They included a lot of things people tend to forget when they accuse the Palin fans of forgetting our perspectives…and it was not intended to be an exhaustive list.
Standing between us and disaster, is absolutely right. I stand behind it one hundred percent. I’d like to see someone like me in there; I’d like to see someone like you in there. But you and I probably aren’t going to win the Presidential election in 2012. And Romney/Huckabee/Pawlenty don’t have much better of a shot at things.
Well I think she means the post TARP/Stimulus framework, that’s why I said corporatist. So the pipeline was a load f of malarkey, revamping the tax code, Morgan’s been pushing for Palin, to run since last winter, so I don’t see
where the posts have been moved on his part. So I end this way, if she were to explicitly choose to lead such a movment would you support her.
Let’s recall that no one, and I mean no one, would have predicted, in 2005, that “The One,” Barry Obama, would win the presidency in 2008.
The landscape of presidential politics is far too fluid to predict, three years in advance, who will be on the ballot opposing Obama in 2012. I won’t waste my time doing so and I urge others to follow suit.
Here’s the deal though: I’m not looking to have my method-of-thinking represented in the White House.
Really, Morgan? I want my method of thinking represented in the White House and everywhere else. I want you, sweet brilliant man, to think like me.
I think GWB did a terrible job. I know y’all like his war business, (I don’t) but on the domestic side he legislated more socialist and fascist slides into chained serfdom than Clinton and Carter combined, fully enabled by a republican congress, might I add.
Oh and yes you did try to equate Obama’s bizarre horse and pony shows with Palin freaks dressing like her twin sister, Mr. G’s horn-dog comments and your own hyperbole of Palin’s last stand defense against the darkside. And yes, it does seem to be coming as unhinged as the independent Obama dogs, slavishly sucking at his every utterance. Our society is star struck. Independent rationale takes a back seat to feel good, rah-rah my team, emotions.
Morgan, do you remember that scene in Lord of the Rings when Queen Galadriel takes the ring from Frodo? I would be her as she held the ring; frightening, terrible and powerful, if I ever commanded the nation.
And you people would like it.
Gedaylia, of course you thinks not. You still aren’t willing to equate our political class with Chavez and Mussolini. I would call that a determined brand of happy ignorance combined with a large dollop of psychological avoidance. The USA you hold dear doesn’t exist anymore, the quicker you accept that hard fact, the closer you’ll be to getting the land of your forefather’s dreams back to living reality.
Neither one of the modern day fascists I mentioned swallowed their nation’s capitalism in one large swallow, the took it in small dollops, tiny bites, all in the name of preventing collapse and preserving the status quo, saving the people and country.
Our government has clearly embarked down the road of Fascism to solve the systemic collapse they’ve engineered, denying that fact doesn’t make it so.
Are you kidding me with your spiel on federal monetary control and standards? They’re printing worthless paper like madmen and hyperinflation is about to slap us all hard in the face, combined with the second, deeper leg of this great depression that will see real ( including the people who’ve been unemployed for twelve months, which are excluded from the officially massaged numbers) unemployment rates sore past 25% next year. How in the hell can you write any of that with a straight face?
You are a pistol, Daphne…”happy ignorance,” and “psychological avoidance” indeed.
If you’ll indulge me despite my near-fatal failings, I’ll respond.
1. There is no “systemic collapse.” All the major institutions of the nation remain intact, including its armed forces,law enforcement, and communications systems; its banking, manufacturing, agricultural and service industries; and our transportation, electrical, water and waste-disposal infrastructure. Declaring that there is a “systemic collapse” is just nonsense, frankly.
2. The dollar is not “worthless.” Hyper-inflation is not “about to slap us all hard in the face.” If you believe this, truly, than I strongly urge you to get your hands on as much gold as you can fast…and stock up on canned goods, water and ammunition. In truth, we face a very serious deflation problem due to falling prices. This is the disease that wracked Japan for the “lost decade.” I am far more fearful of deflation than of inflation. Who likes to consider the value of their assets going down over time?
3. Unemployment is statistically higher than “normal,” and the official 10+% rate doesn’t count those who have “stopped looking,” but there is a reason for that. Those who have “stopped looking, ” for the most part, are earning money off the books..They are not starving and dying in the streets. I am from Michigan (originally…I now live in NY), and I personally know many people who have “stopped looking” (which means they no longer collect unemployment compensation) but are earning money just the same.
All this fascist talk is silly and overwrought. Have a drink and relax. The end of the world is not nigh.
One more thing about inflation…
Inflation is too many dollars chasing too few goods. Our problem today is too many goods. We have too many houses, too many cars, too many consumer goods, and no matter how many dollars the fed “pumps” into the economy people aren’t buying.
The result? Prices are falling People aren’t under the expectation that prices will fall more…and like inflation, it results in a dramatic decrease in asset valuation. That means your net worth goes down every day.
But there is something much more insidious about deflation than inflation. In an inflationary environment, you can cut the supply of money to stop the spiral. There will be some “pain” in the short run, but the death spiral is interrupted.
In deflation, doing the opposite is like “pushing a string.” There is almost nothing to do. Pumping money in doesn’t do a damn thing. Japan had zero interest rates (and for a time negative interest rates) for 10 years and prices fell (or were flat) each year over that period of time.
Anyway, this is what *I* worry about:
1. A new multi-trillion dollar middle class entitlement, i.e. health care.
2. That our mortal enemies will realize our president has balls the size of chick peas
3. Deflation
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9,204. Sarah Palin
(Did you have that drink yet?)
Darlin’ Gedaliya,
I think you’re delusional.
It’s telling that all of the major institutions you mention are government controlled or highly subsidized. Not a free piece of large business is on your list. Or are you implying that a little bit of fascism is like a little bit of socialism?
The dollar is rapidly becoming worthless, we have no gold or products to support the Fed’s rampant printing presses. And yes, I am currently divesting out of the markets and into metals, bonds, guns and home gardens. Deflation isn’t even on the horizon in this economy and your historical argument doesn’t hold water in the current environment. Your investments would devalue in either circumstance, so I’m curious why you are more worried about deflation, which would only devalue your holdings, over hyperinflation, which would reduce your purchasing power as well? Example: $8.00 a gallon gas vs. $3.50 or $3.oo for a gallon of milk vs. $6.00 merely because the dollar has been devalued by Fed printing presses and our government’s continuing state control of private business.
Unemployment figures have been jiggered by Washington since Cllinton. The current numbers, a real 22%, which I believe will substantially increase in the next three years, should scare the shit out of any rational human being. The only firms hiring belong to the taxpayers – we privately produce little more than services on a large scale in this country these days.
Your anecdotes don’t impress me, the numbers do.
The bourbon is sitting two fingers large in my crystal tumbler, and I still don’t believe that my fascist assertions are silly or overwrought. Prove me wrong, Mr. G.
If the power to tax is still understood as the power to destroy, we should have learned that the unrestricted power to create currency is equal to that power to destroy also. The Constitution was designed as an anti-trust act for government, but with this control there is nothing left in it’s way now. Except, perhaps, disaster.
It often takes the death of something to understand our illusions about it. To argue that deflation is a greater threat than inflation is ordinarily true, but if we are fiinally at the end of an era, we cannot say that government will not deliver both.
Toynbee–The last stage but one of every civilization is characterized by the forced political unification of its constituent parts, into a single greater whole.
We’ve wandered far afield, haven’t we?
Are we a fascist nation? Arguably; although in practice, it doesn’t resemble the fascist countries (Italy, Spain, Germany, USSR) of the 1930s superficially. Certainly it lacks the militaristic aspect (although some would argue we have that, too).
And do we face inflation, or deflation? It can be both, and neither, depending on how you measure things. A lot of people are moving their assets into commodities, which is why oil is selling for twice what it should be, considering current demand. If you’re not making anything on bank deposits, and the stock market is risky because companies don’t want to expand in the face of an uncertain tax burden, then hard assets look pretty good. One economist I follow says he’s buying non-perishable household items. like toilet paper, because it will likely increase in cost, and certainly won’t go down. He thinks gold is overpriced now.
I think Daphne is dead right on the nature of Washington pols, although perhaps too pessimistic on the numbers. I’d say the number of parasites is closer to 85 percent than 98 percent. Aside from folks like Sen. Tom Coburn and Rep. Jeff Flake, there are others, like Rep. John Kline (MN) who are inclined to push back. But it would require about 4 cycles of determined Tea Party activism to really change the nature of the congress.
And even then, you’ve still got the bureaucracy. Nixon, Reagan and Bush 41 & 43 found that the hardest nut to crack.
So we fight, and nag, and cajole, and fight some more. Others before us fought tough battles, at much greater personal risk. At some point we need to push away the keyboard and start buttonholing friends, and ringing doorbells, and kicking ass in local and state party circles. That’s how the progressives took over the Dem party.
At some point we need to push away the keyboard and start buttonholing friends, and ringing doorbells, and kicking ass in local and state party circles. That’s how the progressives took over the Dem party.
Absolutely. They didn’t do it by saying “everyone else seems to think Gore/Carter/Dukakis/Mondale/Humphrey/McGovern is a raging idiot, I’ll follow suit so people will like me more better.”
These “I’m cool because I don’t have faith in Palin” people remind me a lot of the “I’m cool because I don’t know anything about computers” people. And atheists, too. Forming a social club around a lack of faith in something, is always a futile exercise. It’s human nature to try to form a vision. Even if it doesn’t feel like it at the time. We go to bed depressed and without hope…we wake up the next morning, determined to find a new way to deal. It is how we’ve survived much worse.
“No IRightI, she’s not rogue. She’s mainstream red meat.”
I think she appeals to “normal” Americans. Not that I’m all that normal mind you but I do like a few things about her that I think most conservatives are looking for these days.
Honesty. I think what you see is what you get we won’t be hearing about any cover ups of personal or professional intercessions.
Non partisanship/Independence. From what I can tell she’s the enemy of both the Democrat and Republican party machines to some greater or lesser extent. Fox News was the first MSM outlet to begin the outrageous smears as soon as she stepped out of line and began to call out Obama for what he was. Something the McCain campaign was loath to do. It was almost like they wanted to lose. Evidently Palin didn’t get the memo. They tried to destroy their own candidate in the middle of an election.
She’s a Christian and therefore hated by the Left and mistrusted by the GOP movers and shakers. Unlike our current political crop I believe she holds herself accountable to God and The People, Goldman Sachs not so much.
She’s a Nationalist. Only real Americans can love someone who loves and puts their country first. One thing the Donks and the Republicans have in common is that they are controlled by Globalists who believe Nationalism is a disease.
I could go on but I’ll leave it at that. I hope I’m right and you’re wrong though I admit there’s a possibility I could be wrong, wrong, wrong. After all, I did believe Bush was Christian and Conservative and would put our country first. I also believed that my pet monkey could have whipped the Marxist Negro in that election regardless of the billion dollar scam the Filthy Left in concert with the entire US media ran on us. I haven’t quite recovered from that shock yet so please forgive me if I hope for a miracle in a dress.
Well I prefer not to use such language, Obama’s color is not the problem, I would vote for Ken Blackwell, or Col. West, without much hesitation. Certainly the post election
discussion that Schmidt had at the U’ Delaware where he admitted he had given up because of the Lehman crash
and the RFK like idealism around Obama (strong gag reflex). No one sent Sarah that memo, because she fought
as if the republic was as stake, which it was. And the communication’s staff (there was such an animal) fought back with leaks, both at the tail end and immediately after.
Daphne – The King. Funny. In my house I would be lucky to be the Court Jester.
Old Pinky is sometimes as looney a leftist as exists but I think her heart is in the right place. Plus she can whale away on her adversaries with humor which is a trait I admire.
It is hard not to become less conservative when reading that site because certain fools gives conservatives a bad name there. I’ve got to convince David to import some more thoughtful conservatives because the ones he has from the States undermine what should be strong and persuasive conservative arguments.
“Well I prefer not to use such language….”,
That’s funny. You actually think “Negro” is a bad word. You ought to hear what I call the SOB when the ladies aren’t around.
“Obama’s color is not the problem….”
Oh no? Let’s you, me and Jeremiah Wright get together and talk that one over shall we?
Great post. Although personally I think they deserve one another. Obama’s incredibly fugly. There isn’t much intelligent political talent around in the world these days. People are tending to clutch at straws.
One more note on that which is clearly the most controversial among the many aspects to your fine post, Daphne.
Sarah Palin to Obama: Boycott Copenhagen.
Then…
Al Gore cancels Copenhagen visit.
This is just part of a recurring pattern. We saw it with the “death panels” imbroglio. We saw it with the many, many accurate predictions she made about Obama during her speech at the convention. Especially (I wasn’t too excited about her before this) “This is a man who can give speeches on the War on Terror, and never use the word ‘victory’ except when he’s talking about his own campaign.” What happened earlier this week, was fourteen months after that. And what word were we disgusted to see Obama work so hard to avoid?
The woman’s sense of judgment is just plain sound. She’s muffed it up her own share of times…when she’s had to compromise with others. It’s just obvious she’s one of those folks who work best when they’re calling the shots and aren’t hamstrung by a committee.
And — whether it’s an unnatural and unfair advantage due to her sex, or whether she’s just endowed in a superhuman way — it’s easy to see she’s ready/willing/able to say things like “He never uses the word ‘victory’”…meanwhile her rivals are of the feeling they need to stop short of this for sake of their continuing survival.
So that’s it for me. Yes she has an amazing body and is gorgeous. But she has good judgment and she has balls.
She also has a whole lotta weaknesses. But everything besides those three (well, 67% of those three) is trivial.
You want someone Katie Couric can’t or won’t eviscerate? You want someone Couric won’t feel motivated to eviscerate? You’ve just eliminated everyone who’s gonna do you any good…might as well just continue your depressing pessimism.
Morgan, just for the record; I have never seen the Katie Couric interview. I have never seen a single one of Katie’s broadcasts. That woman holds no sway in my corner of the world and I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about her opinion on anything.
My son de-registered from the Republican Party in disgust under Bush 11, (kid was ahead of his old man) but Palin interested him enough to ask my opinion. I told him then that especially if she was what she seemed to be, joining the Rooster’s ticket showed a complete error of judgement, one of those weddings that is annulled in the morning. I understand that she was caught by surprise by the nomination, and will include that in Morgan’s forgiven 33%.
But the fact that Palin chose to do the interview with a hard-core MSM liberal shows an error in understanding that she shouldn’t be making at this stage. A live interview is a different animal, if you are ready and willing to do battle.
I don’t doubt that she is a better man than most, the cream of the crap, and possibly even better than we deserve. But what some of us are asking for is a group of people who see we have reached the condition described by Burke: The parties are the gamesters, but the government keeps the tables and is the winner in the end.
It takes no time at all in that environment for a politician to realize he will have more success as a dealer than a player. They went to the trouble of suffering a very public popularity contenst to get there. This is not the type of person to say no.
Garet Garrett, 1937-
You do not defend a world that is already lost. When was it lost? That you cannot say precisely. We know only that it was surrendered peacefully, without a struggle, almost unawares…There it is, and there it will remain until, if ever, it shall be re-conquered. Certainly government will never surrender it without a struggle.
Going Rogue, Sarah? Do you really know what that means?
Not to keep this thread going forever, but…
James, it has occurred to me more than once or twice that if she firmly holds the beliefs/political tenets that her supporters claim and admire, then why did she ever agree to the VP slot on McCain’s ticket? He has never espoused any of her stated ideals. The conservatives who support Palin labeled him a RINO years ago and were extremely disappointed that he won the primary.
How can she be the real deal if she was willing to politically compromise herself to that extent? How is she not just another political hack looking for a shot at the gold ring?
Even Abe Lincoln made compromises…some pretty dramatic. and significant.
I’ll wager few people in the history of the United States have declined an offer to run for vice president (not counting those asked by McGovern after Eagleton dropped out), and even fewer, if any, on the basis of political principle.
If Sarah Palin isn’t the “real deal,” (whatever that means), what is she? A phony? A liar? A Charlatan?
How is she not just another political hack looking for a shot at the gold ring?
How is any candidate for P or VP not “just another political hack looking for a shot at the gold ring?” The American political system simply isn’t wired for the reluctant hero. Best we can hope for is someone who loves to appear on camera, who happens to have the right priorities.
Can’t believe the pessimism, to be frank about it. It’s really quite dazzling. I’m not going to say it isn’t warranted to some extent…but c’mon, people. Things were pretty fucking dismal as Jimmy Carter’s first term sputtered to a halt. And then Reagan “Schwarzeneggered” on some problems, while succeeding against other problems pretty easily. It was a mix. A hodge-podge. That’s what our hope for 2013 needs to be.
What is Palin, Gedaliya? She is an illusion, hers and ours, that a good person can manage a bankrupt entity that has not declared bankruptcy.
That is the conservatives function, to make the visionary philosopher’s programs function for them. That’s not rogue, it’s rouge.
Because she saw some of the same reformist spirit in McCain, and likewise (the one thing Kathleen Parker
did get right) She saw on the big ticket, the pipeline,
the war that her son was a part of it, the life question,
the solution isn’t just at the state level. She also thought
she could convince McCain on some of her priorities. naive
I suppose, but no is rarely a word she has time for.
To toss in a metaphor or two, when the manager points at you and says, “Get in there. You’re batting,” you don’t reply, “Actually, chief, this isn’t the pitcher I want to face. Wait until later in the game when I can pinch-hit against another guy.”
She has a history of stepping up and taking responsibility when the call came. She didn’t doom McCain; the economy did that. And now she’s an established national figure with a following.
Nixon, in November of 1962, was considered dead, dead dead as a national political figure. Six years later he was elected president. FDR was a minor political figure when he was tapped to be the vice-presidential candidate in 1920; his ticket lost easily. Twelve years later he was elected president.
Winston Churchill was considered politically radioactive throughout the 1930s. Everyone who counted in his own party kept their distance. But in May 1940, he was thought not only to be the best choice, but the only possible choice to be prime minister. History has not closed the book on Sarah Palin, yet.
My wife had a great time today meeting Palin.
She has a history of quitting.
Her selection by McCain robbed McCain of his strongest argument, Obama’s lack of experience. She brought nothing to the ticket except electrifying those who never would have voted for Obama anyway. She was an unmitigated disaster as a candidate, and her shallowness on the major issues of the day came through.
Republicans can and should do better.
That’s a two-sided coin there, mahons. These people allegedly so concerned about Palin’s lack of experience never would have voted against He Who Walks On Water. You’ve contributed seven posts to this thread so far, and after reading them, frankly I’m wondering if that doesn’t include you.
You know, it’s such a crock of crap that it’s somehow worthy of notice every time Palin wears white after Labor Day or eats her salad with her dinner fork, and meanwhile Delaware Dumbass can spout the purest nonsense all day long all year long…and hey, that’s just Joe-being-Joe. Yeah, I remember just like it was yesterday FDR went on the teevee to reassure us back in 1929.
You know Biden didn’t turn thirty until after he won his Senate seat? In other words…he’s spent an entire lifetime in that chamber. So much for the virtues of experience and not-quitting.
I’ll put in a word for my friend, Mahons, an excellent man that I’ve known for many years. He is an Independent and political centrist – on some things he leans right, some things left. He is not a progressive or a liberal, although I am trying my best to turn him Libertarian.
He can correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to recall him leaning McCain until he had a good, long look at Palin after she was chosen as the running mate.
Y’all need to understand that Sarah Palin is not everyone’s cup of tea, for a wide variety of reasons. The regular people who don’t particularly care for her are not all dirty hippies (or Ivy league elites) yearning for the Communist States of America.
I’m an optimistic conservative, believe it or not. I know this makes me an odd duck, but I don’t care.
I don’t believe our political system is bankrupt, and I know our economic system isn’t. Our nation has survived far worse trials than we face under Barry Obama, who I am quite sure will be the first one-term negro president in our history.
Palin? A celebrity, plain and simple. Is that bad? I don’t think so. However, she’ll never be president of the United States. She doesn’t have the political skills to organize a presidential campaign, and I don’t think she has the will to see it through even if she did. I don’t think she wants to be president of the United States.
James Wilson calls her an “illusion.” Is she? Perhaps. Aren’t we all, in one form or another?
(I guess it depends on your particular brand of metaphysics.)
It seems like he is quite up on all the disinformation, and very unaware of her actual record. There hasn’t been much that he has said that has been true and complete, and that does concern me, because how do you properly judge under that circumstance. That’s a more critical issue than her candidacy per se.
Morgan – I don’t think Obama had a lot of experience and I think McCain (and Hillary Clinton) were correct to point that out. But I do think he was and is engaged in the major nationa land internationa lissues of the day (even if one doesn’t agree with him). Whereas Palin simply doesn’t demonstrate ability or inclination in those areas. In politics we ofte nhave to choose the lesser of two evils and in my mind, Obama and Biden were a lesser evil than McCain/Palin. If McCain had picked someone better he might very well have won.
I find some of the criticism of Palin over the top and unwarranted. Certainly those who attacked her family went beyond the pale. I never thought she did anything of a criminal nature. And she does have a certain energy, and in a controlled situation, a certain charm. But in the end she is just not ready for prime time as a national leader.
If you feel comfortable judging a man on a handful of comments, that’s fine Narciso. Shallow, but fine.
I feel completely comfortable weighing this honorable man after five years of good friendship. Mahons is all solid in my book. I value his opinions and judgement, thoroughly enjoy arguing with him and, most importantly, I like him and implicitly trust him to always tell me the truth as he sees it.
Mahons is one hell of a good man. If you want a debate, he’ll give you an honest argument, if fierce, one.
Well, I suppose you folks can think what you want, I know I won’t change your mind and that is not my intent.
But here’s how it looks to me: Suppose a candidate starts to emerge as a leader. Not a clear leader, per se, in fact has tons and tons of disapproval rating…like Palin. But captures some enthusiasm throughout some election cycles during which nobody else is. And here I am having a “Top Gun” or “X-Men” moment with this candidate — by which I mean “here’s a really crappy one that everyone else seems to love.”
Which seems to be where you and Daphne are. If I’m giving the impression I don’t relate, that is not correct. I do relate. iPhones, iPods, The Matrix, gaudy push buttons in Microsoft Office 2007 products, licorice, tiny little yip-dogs, oh goodness I could add to this list all day and all night — all the garbage everyone else seems to just love.
What would I do about it? Well, if I were to comment on it much, I would lead with the evidence. Why is Sarah Palin inexperienced/unqualified. “I just feel that she is” would be a caboose, not a locomotive; it would be hitched up to the train right after a “therefore,” and there’d be something with meat in front of the “therefore.” We’ve all heard about the teevee interviews, and as I’ve said repeatedly — I think it’s undeniable — she definitely screwed the pooch on the Couric thing. (On the Gibson matter, she was right and he was wrong.)
You and Daphne have nothing here. Next to nothing. Couric is important because hers is the only piece of evidence that is valid; Palin was caught unprepared, twice. And from this springs forth all the “I just feel” and “everybody knows it’s true” malarkey. The Kilkenny Letter was thoroughly debunked, the “Russia From My House” quote was a fabrication from a comedian.
You say Palin’s blight of obvious inexperience was such a pox on the ticket, that it was rendered as the greater of two evils next to Obama Biden. This, after Daphne stands up for you. It requires greater exploration than I intend to conduct here, to competently qualify just how bad Obama/Biden is. I’ll sum it up in one phrase: We’re running out of jobs and up to our eyebrows in debt, and they’re actively making it harder to hire people, and taking on more debt.
Seriously, if you’re choosing that over alleged inexperience, you need to re-evaluate.
That may be Daphne, I’ve followed this blog on occasion, mostly linking from Morgan, over the last year. It seems
full of common sense, except on this point, where the most charitable view seems to be she’s a demagogue and the least a dunce, unlike our peripathetic actual Vice President, who’s been wrong so often, he breaks statistical probability
Good people won’t always agree on every point, Narciso. Your comments have been intelligent and appreciated, you’ll always be a very welcome visitor in the Haven. I chose to let everyone in on a bit of inside information, it wasn’t meant to derail or demean, just to inform. I generally don’t disclose my relationships with commenters in this space, I made an exception today. Mahons is one of my dear friends, deal with it.
Back to business.
The most charitable thing running on this thread is that Palin is chin-chucking wonderful.
I’m not a Republican. I cashed in my GOP chip quite while back, I won’t ever swing that party’s line again. I’ve made that very clear in this space.
I live a conservative life and eschew party politics. I welcome your comments and debate, political argument is a healthy expression among men, but I have no use for cloaked mindsets and a stubborn unwillingness to examine another’s well brokered point of view. Debate it, argue the thing to a nub, dismiss the inane and ignorant, toss off a few witty insults.
The bottom line is that I do expect the people in this space to treat their opponents with a minimum of respect.
Mahons wrote: “But I do think he was and is engaged in the major nationa land internationa lissues of the day (even if one doesn’t agree with him).”
Well, sure. And he’s spent a lot of time demonstrating that said engagement resulted in zero positive results, and several negative ones.
Wonkiness is not proof of competence. I’ll take someone who isn’t as engaged, but has good instincts.
Daphne,
“I just don’t see her being any where near capable of bringing about the transformance I believe this nation needs.”
I agree.
But, (isn’t there always), this nation was brought to where it is today, in increments. It will have to be taken back in increments. That can’t/won’t be done in 4 or 8 years, no matter who the constitutional conservative in office. We have to consider people like Ms. Palin to try and get the ball rolling back in the direction of our forefathers. I say it’s a start.
Why have a plan without a well thought out, comprehinsive implementation procedure? That seems to be a problem. As you say 535 bought and paid for, yes? Let’s start an implementation of getting the fat cats out, and electing a POTUS that can lead without being a dictator, or giving into the fat cats.
Michelle Obama is not athstetically ugly. It is her attidude of selfserving elitism and entitlement that makes her look ugly.
Sarah Palin might be drop dead georgous to some. To me she is just ‘cute’. But it may be her ‘fire’ or tenacity that others find so attractive. I don’t know.
In any case, this has been an interesting thread, and you have been a gracious hostess.
Thank you.
For those interested in a broader perspective on what the presidency truly requires (and some of you, not wanting to be abrasive in pointing it out, could seriously use one), I’ve jotted down some additional thoughts here.
so Daphne, who can lead us out of this nightmare? you have many arrows to sling at others, I assume therefore you have the answers. Have you run for office? How and what are you doing to solve the great problems of our time? Libertarian drivel, Ron Paul. Are you knitting the names of your enemies on your roll of who shall pay?How has not falling for the RINO fakes helped our country? If your not part of the solution, your part of the problem. get your head out of the sand and start acting as an American. The first step is to get the socialiists out, even if its a long march, stay the course.
Mahons………all smoke, no fire. Daphne has the luxury of a history with you, I do not. I can only judge you by what I have read here. If, with your superior education and intellect and leviathon hunger and grasp of the news, you would still vote Obama over MCcain as the lessor of two evils paints you in a most unflattering light. Funny how those who think themselves the brightest, usually aren’t.
Rambling farce and swaggering opinion, yep. John III