Watching the latest Islamic terrorist horror in India starts a rolling list in my head that can’t be stopped; Iran, Beirut, USS Cole, Somalia, 9/11, Spain, London. Those are just the big ones, everyday around the world Islamists murder in the name of their politicized religion. They attack women, children, the old and infirm, coreligionists, non-believers, white, brown or yellow, it doesn’t matter. An alarming portion of their fellow Muslims support their grisly agenda, some of them actively, others by dancing in the streets, expressing joy in the deaths of strangers. I hate these bastards.
I find myself increasingly repulsed by Muslim practices and beliefs. Middle Eastern, African, Asian, American, the country of origin makes no difference. Women and children treated as chattel, genital mutilation, child brides, honor killings, culturally accepted pedophilia, the black drapes and head coverings, no rights, no votes, little to non-existent educational opportunities, no voice, no choices, no recourse. Persecution of homosexuals. Imprisonment, stoning and whipping for morality crimes. Lack of free speech. The foul treatment of non-Muslims in Islamic countries. The demented hatred of Jews. Sharia Law. Wahhabism. Madrasas. Blind obedience to Mullahs. Praying towards Mecca – a place on the map few will ever see. Individuality is shut down, originality and freedom of the mind discouraged. Islam pisses on human talents that fall outside the dark walls of its faith. Hell, I even dislike their dislike of dogs.
I don’t believe Mohamed was holy or a prophet. I think he was evil incarnate carrying the words of Satan himself to a crew of desert simpletons. Islam is a barbaric, unpeaceful, vile, unthinking distortion of worship. The fact that the majority of its adherents can’t even read the Koran smacks of mindless ignorance. I see no enlightenment elevating individual singularity or acknowledging gifted greatness in this corner of archaic darkness. My lip curls at their love of theocracies, a willingness to subjugate themselves to the whims of dissolute rulers along side an ancient text they can’t even begin to comprehend, subsuming their divine individuality to a tide of dogmatic mandates. I have no use, or respect, for the people who follow this religion. I’m past tired of their bombing, shooting, acid throwing, coup d’etat loving, rioting asses and it looks like the rest of the world could stand a break from these murdering bastards, too. According to a website that does nothing but track worldwide Islamic terrorism, there have been 12,328 Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11. Don’t tell me this isn’t an Islamic issue, the rest of us aren’t practicing murder on a worldwide scale in the name of religion.
I’m fed up. Please don’t start feeding me that lame ‘Moderate Islam’ load of bull. Sure, I know most Muslims aren’t carrying out jihad, many don’t financially support those activities, millions don’t dance in the streets and rejoice death. Answer me this though, of all of those billions who don’t participate, how many are actively fighting the Islamists? How many are working to moderate and depoliticize the Book, men, rulers and countries who support terrorism? I have yet to see the Middle East street riot to overthrow the mullahs, dethrone the Saudis, crush the morality police or stone the acid throwing scumbags who attack school girls. Where are the millions of women demonstrating for their natural human rights to keep their labias, show their arms and hair, go to school, drive a damn car? Where are the protesters when a filmmaker, writer or cartoonist is killed for expressing their thoughts on Islam? Show me the Muslim groups vocally trying to protect children or homosexuals. There is absolutely no movement among their theologians to modernize, secularize or temper the Koran. I haven’t even touched on Southeast Asia, a predominately Muslim region full of Islamic terrorism that our media regularly ignores. The vast majority of supposed moderates wallow in the same foul cesspool that breeds extremism. They don’t give a shit. Insha Allah.
Moderate Muslims don’t exist. Most followers are quietly going about their lives in this religious toilet, some are trying to remake the globe. I have no use for either group, to coin an old sixties phrase, you’re either part of the problem or you’re part of the solution. I’m past the point of trying to understand, rationalize or tolerate general Muslim inactivity to moderate their religion or issue wholesale condemnations for the large, violent arm of their faith.
I don’t care about the epithets that will come my way or the pseudo intellectual arguments defending Islam in general, I’m done with the followers of this grotesque religious abomination that’s wreaking regular havoc and death on the world. I will condemn them all until they give me good reason to reconsider their decency. A worldwide Muslim protest against the perpetrators of the latest Islamic terrorist atrocity in Mumbai would be a good start.
I love that you don’t hesitate to make it personal, and that you make no apologies. You could easily have said “I realize that many muslims are perfectly wonderful…” but you did the right thing and called them out. Where’s the big Muslim movement to stop the Muslim extremists? Pigs.
I don’t care anymore, Andy.
I spent many years trying to rationalize, be polite, intellectualize, etc…
I’m done. I don’t like them, don’t trust them, have no use for them in general. It’s my blog, I’ll say what I like and I do think they’re pigs.
It’s their turn to prove me wrong, they’ve had many opportunities to stand up , turn the tide – they haven’t, not once……..fuck ‘em.
Amen.
My current thought, which after a day or so of reflection, I may amplify is that if you want to stop these killers you’ve got to find out where they come from, each and every one, and then go and kill their towns.
This idea appeals to me greatly, Vanderleun.
Burn their towns, kill their animals, and salt the earth. Leave no memorial.
Are you running for president in 2012?
Rock on!
Fantastic. Thank you.
awesome!
Daphne,
Mumbai has struck you hard, that is obvious. It is grief that informs your words. Grief that shapes your thoughts. Grieve then. Grieve for the lives lost and the lives changed. Grieve for the hopes gone with each pull of the trigger, for each future cut short by blind hatred.
But don’t let your grief warp you into a fetid imitation of those who committed this atrocity. If you must destroy, destroy knowing it is for revenge, and not seeking justice. Sometimes you must be hard. But when you are, be honest about it. Grieve, and when the grieving is done go one with your life.
Remember that hate and despair carefully nursed corrupt. They rot the soul and warp the spirit. There are times for both, but never to the point you have no purpose for living. Hate when you have reason to hate, despair when it is time to despair; and then let it go. Whether short or long, your life hasn’t the time for unending rage. Preserve your rage for when it is the right thing, and let it go when it is not.
There is a story from near 2,000 years ago that begins. “And the pharisee, wishing to absolve himself, asked, ‘Who then is my neighbor?” And Jesus replied, saying, ‘Once a certain man went down . . .’.”
mythusimage:
Get over yourself.
Another Christian.
Concerning the number of “extremist” vs. “moderate” Moslems, I wrote this a couple of years ago:
“Let’s say there are a billion Moslems in the world. Let’s say that only 1 in 100 wants to accomplish the Islamification of the world by terrorism. Let’s further say that only 1 in 10 of *them* are willing to plan and work to accomplish the Islamification of the world by terrorism. That would be 1 in 1,000 of the world’s Moslems.
That’s only 1,000,000 people willing to plan and work to kill you and me to Islamify the world.
So, do the numbers make you feel better now?”
Islam translates to submission. Ours or theirs. All else is unnerving to their experience.
So we are not being civilized in failing to force their submission, but rather we are being insincere in our own civilization.
Ms D
Agreed. I feel there’s another imperative here.
Given their Koranic mandates toward the kuffir to convert, exact the jizyah tax if conversion cannot be accomplished, or failing those two kill us …. and given their holy protocol of practicing taqqiyah ( lie, cheat, dissemble, wait ) …..
why would we not set them to room temp now ?
They will not fail to play “trump” when they acquire canned sunshine. They will not fail to wield biologic death against the West. They will not hesitate to wage jihad.
With the ascendance of an American executive who’s likely to favor accomodation, and place us prostrate against this evil, when will the West collectively and individually move to save itself ?
All people are created equal. All cultures are not
The utter devastation of Japan, followed by MacArthur’s occupation, turned Shintoism into a harmless pantheism. It may be we will have to deal with Islam in the same way some day. Maybe the extremists are bent on pulling Islam down around their heads, or maybe they have misjudged us. In West Texas, the soldiers from Fort Davis forted up the waterholes in the desert and slaughtered the Apaches, including women and children, when they tried to get to the water.
I read somewhere here on the web a couple of days ago where there was a town in Seria, Hama I think was it’s name, that grew a lot of really unhappy people who were trying to overthrow the government there. The king killed everyone there, leveled the place and made it into a parking lot. It worked for him. Works for me.
To live, you gotta cut out the cancer. And, to make sure you get it all, you have to cut into a little good flesh too.
Oh! I read it here: http://www.mafhoum.com/press2/63P58.htm
And, on a link in American Digest.
MUMBAI: Melanie Phillips agrees with me!…
These two ladies are my kind of men! For them a spade is still a spade, political correctness be damned!…
I followed a link to this post and am putting you on my bookmarks list for daily reads. Hope to return again and again. LIke your writing.
While I agree with your sentiments as to the majority of Muslims not making an obvious outcry as to the large list of righteous grievances you have provided…
There are many Iraqis and Afghanis fighting and dying alongside our troops to defeat the jihadists among them.
In the meantime, to hell with islam…And hope that the good folks fighting against jihad prevail.
Wow. I predict you’re gonna get a LOT of visits from “critical thinkers” (i.e., Islamic apologists) such as your new friend El Caudillo, Daphne. I’m also thinking that doesn’t bother you one whit, and rightly so.
On the post in general: Well said. Bravely said, too. For me the proof is in the pudding of your rhetorical question…
“Answer me this though, of all of those billions who don’t participate, how many are actively fighting the Islamists? How many are working to moderate and depoliticize the Book, men, rulers and countries who support terrorism?
The non-rhetorical answer is “precious few, bordering on NONE.”
I was ignorant of Islam prior to 911. Since then it seems every few weeks someone carrying an AK-47 teaches me a little more.
Let the sons of Allah consider the fate of Hama:
“Political insurgency by Islamic groups, particularly the Muslim Brotherhood beginning in the early 1980s culminated in an uprising in February, 1982. Government forces led by the president’s brother, Rifaat al-Assad, quelled the revolt, but killed thousands of civilians and destroyed much of the old part of the city in the process. The town was shelled by the Syrian military, and the estimated deaths numbered more than 20,000 and may have been as high as 30,000 or 40,000, a big portion of them were women and children. The story is suppressed in Syria.”
~wikipedia
Stop watching and you will stop having the rolling list problem with your head.
You also might consider drinking more water and getting plenty of bed rest.
Try this for a few days and then let me know how it turns out.
Excellent post, emotionally satisfying and unequivocal; I hope your critics will grasp the spirit of what you have to say here. Some (above) have already failed and choose to retain their fatalistic sense of equality of results among men. Anyone thinking that 9.11 has spawned a legion of Muslim-haters ought to avail themselves of the opinions on Islam believers under the pen of Founding Fathers such as Jefferson (“to the shores of Tripoli” ring a bell?) and Sir Winston Churchill. Especially Churchill (long before either war).
Moderate Muslims? Of course. But there is no moderate Islam. And there is no peace with a group whose religion dictates that they will ceaselessly work toward becoming the dominant element in any society, by whatever means. No straying from that precept for them. Ever. What that should mean to all of us in relatively free countries is that Muslim immigration needs to stop. That will be a good start, and a very humane one. Whose humanity are you worried about, theirs or ours?
I like Laura’s comment: Muslims with AK-47s keep teaching the lessons in the name of Islam.
We have Hutterites and Amish in America who live a life as strict as any Muslim could seek, though by somewhat different rules. They live their lives as they see fit and leave me to do the same. I ask of Islam what I ask of Christianity and Judaism and Hinduism: seek your God, live your life, be my neighbor if not my friend.
This is my first visit here–linked from American Digest.
Good to find you. I see that the spirit of Orianna Fallaci lives on!
That website you mentioned that keeps the DAILY tally of Islamic terror attacks is:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
I heartily recommend it. There are an average of about five Islamic terror attacks PER DAY in the world, most in Asia and Africa, most with less than a dozen victims so we never hear about them in our media.
India is one of the hardest hit. The Mumbai massacre is the fifth or sixth MAJOR attack (i.e., fatalities in the double or triple digits) in India THIS YEAR.
vanderleun,
“My current thought, which after a day or so of reflection, I may amplify is that if you want to stop these killers you’ve got to find out where they come from, each and every one, and then go and kill their towns.”
Good job – now you’re thinking like a terrorist. :|
Well, it would be instilling a specific fear in the people of those former townships – the fear of raising up any more Jihadis. And that wouldn’t be a bad thing.
Excellent post. If you don’t mind, I’m emailing it to everyone, as everyone else should.
We all started out after 9/11 being open minded, inclusive and non-judgmental. But after each terrorist attack by Muslims, it got harder and harder to be non-judgmental. Why were Muslims doing all the terrorist attacks? What is it with this religion called Islam? We didn’t know anything about it.
Watching a DVD lecture about Islam by John Esposito did nothing to explain why these terrorist attacks were happening. Nothing–a total waste of time.
So we started reading books. We started out simple – The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam by Robert Spencer which starting putting all the pieces of the puzzle together for the first time. And we read more and more. We probably know more about the real nature, origins and doctrines of Islam than most Muslims.
Now we know the truth about this evil political religion. We know that the terrorists have NOT hijacked Islam–they are only following its tenets. The Mumbai attacks do not surprise us anymore. Your excellent posts sums it up. Thank you for writing it.
Islamic terrorism is a threat and a growing one. And the voice of moderation and modernization is too often too soft among the Muslim community as a whole. A valid point and one that must be repeated to the Muslim community.
But there are simply too many Muslims who do not engage or support such activity to paint them all with one brush. Certainly the idea floated by some above of annihilation is deplorable. Simply stated, it is one of the world’s major religions (for good or bad) and as such it will be with us. The frustration we have with the segment that conducts or supports terrorism (or other senseless acts) and those who give it tacit approval or benign neglect shouldn’t poison us against millions of innocent people – because THAT is exactly what the Islamic fanatics wish.
Frank O’Dwyer – Terrorism and genocide are not identical concepts. You’re not going to contribute much to the conversation if you can’t distinguish between the two.
Generally – Muslims, unfortunately and fortunately, are *slow*. It took the bad ones several years between their failed attempt to take out the Eiffel Tower (where they found out they needed their own pilots) to their success at WTC. The moderates need to understand that they not only need to fight their coreligionists to properly label who is the apostate and who is not, but they need to make at least some gesture towards the outside world so that we don’t do the sorting for them.
If we are forced to, it will be very ugly, possibly genocidal, and very much suboptimal (a “streets running with blood” kind of suboptimal). The clock is ticking. We may lose a city or two (and possibly our souls with a badly conceived counterstroke). Islam would lose everything because there would be no Islam left. We simply lack the tools to reliably sort muslims between dangerous death cultists and reasonable people we can have as neighbors.
Frank, back off Vanderluen. I will not have it here. Take issue with me, or our mutual friends, all day long – but please do not insult my other patrons. I welcome your brilliant mind and caustic wit but this is not atw and I’m not nearly as tolerant as David for Irish sensibilities that embrace a penchant for eruditely brutal verbal assaults that pass for normal conversation, or sport, in other venues. Don’t go away, just pick your fights better darlin’.
Buck, I couldn’t give a hoot! Let ‘em come. It’s my baby and I’ll write as I please. Disagree or argue with me in good faith, you can stay – insult me and I’ll delete your inarticulate butt.
Laura, I hear ya’ girl.
I want to thank everyone else who commented on this post, I appreciate that you took the time to give your thoughts,…I read every single one and visited all of my fellow bloggers who left links.
I was going to write some humble stuff, but I’m actually quite thrilled that y’all came. My back porch is always open, I hope you’ll visit again, maybe have a beer or two and stay to visit….argue with me a little bit or share some of your perspective.
Mahons
those who give it tacit approval or benign neglect shouldn’t poison us against millions of innocent people – because THAT is exactly what the Islamic fanatics wish.
Please elaborate. Why do you think this is so?
I shudder at the thought of a world filled with people like you.
Answer murder with murder? Label and outcast an entire religion? Is that really the best idea your minds can come up with? Have ANY of you even tried to intelligibly grasp the social circumstances that produce the kind of hatred that leads to attacks like the one in Mumbai? Can you imagine the amount of hatred a man must possess to be able to fight a gun battle for 55 hours? Do you really think giving the extremists one more reason to draw a line, demarcate an ‘us’ and ‘them’ will get rid of the violence? When we should be working to get rid of reasons and circumstances that create the kind of hatred that warps the minds of young men, here you are intelligent and educated, spewing the same kind of hatred that any cheap third-grade two-bit mullah with an extremist ideology and a political agenda wouldn’t hesitate to wreck our world with.
How many of you have actually lost family and friends to terrorists as I have? I have. And even I can’t support this. I’ve been disappointed by human nature before, please don’t make me lose my faith in humanity.
Javed,
You are confused. Legitimizing these Islamic terrorists because they are angry with their social circumstances is WRONG!!! The very social circumstances they are angry about are the direct result of the culture and societies that are formed by Islam.
Plenty of the rest of the world has grievances. Why is it mainly the Muslims that are legitimizing killing because of their grievances? “Getting rid of the reasons and circumstances that create that type of hatred that warps the minds of young men” starts with some honest discourse about the real nature of Islamic doctrine.
I implore you, please watch this video and respond. I would really like to hear your thoughts on it. Very humbly and sincerely.
Daphne,
“Frank, back off Vanderluen. I will not have it here. Take issue with me, or our mutual friends, all day long – but please do not insult my other patrons.”
Don’t be ridiculous. That person proposed collective punishment of the townships from which the terrorists came. Not only is that a crime against humanity and the sort of behaviour normally associated with and perfected by such role models as the Nazis, it is pretty much how those terrorists themselves thought – they were told about Indian atrocities against Muslims and they went and ‘killed their town’.
Now you can of course delete my comments if you think they are merely ‘insulting’. They are not, and I will simply post them elsewhere if you do.
But if you do, then don’t you dare criticize ‘Muslims’ or anyone else for not speaking out against similar vile proposals and actions.
There are honest efforts being made within the Muslim community to combat terrorism. Here’s a link where you can find some information about this: http://www.freemuslims.org/
Something to keep in mind is that Muslims who speak out against the terrorists become targets themselves, and it requires a lot of courage on their part to do so.
Having mentioned all this, I completely understand where you are coming from Daphne. Our Western culture must be defended.
Among the intentions of Islamic terrorism is to cause overreations against Muslims to inflame tensions further. I can’t think of a better thing to happen to their recruiting than the Iraq war for instance, or Gitmo. In addition, they despise those who seek to modernize or liberalize Islamic society.
Daphne
I have to agree with Frank here. He did nothing wring but air his opinion in response to someone elses. If a commenter posts something which another commenter objects too and wishes to respond to then why on earth shouldn’t they. It’s part of the conversation and if Vanderluen or anyone lese needs protecting from responses to their controversial views then they shouldn’t be posting comments in the blogosphere. You are a stronger and a freer minded person than that. No-one here needs wrapping in cotton wool. Don’t turn this blog into a censors paradise where everyone has to tip toe around for fear of a frequently used axe.
Dear Mr. Frank O’Dwyer, I will not delete your comments. I don’t believe I ever will.
I invited you here and I’m glad to have your contributions. You have an incredible mind and a fine sense of wit. I may have overreacted, for that I sincerely apologize, but you nearly called the man a terrorist and I would rather we did not descend into calling each other names, no matter how much we dislike or disagree with another person’s point of view. Play the ball, not the man is the general rule I would like to see followed in the threads.
I have to admit that I have a huge fear of my threads looking like the atw ones, most of them little more than personal, nasty bitch slapping events lately. Disagreement is fine, disdain is fine, dropping the F bomb here is fine – just do it like gentlemen and don’t attack each other please.
Sorry for the late reply, I didn’t mean to ignore you. I’ve been out all day and running like mad since I’ve gotten home.
Jeez Colm, I just apologized and explained to our dear Frank, jump my shit a little more why don’t you?
Look, I’ll say it again – I do not want my threads to replicate what’s going on over at atw. I relish a good argument, you know my love of a roaring fight as well as Frank does, but I would like to see something different happen over here. Something not as ugly – arguments waged without going for the jugular or somebody’s balls.
I’ve left off atw because I feel nasty after I’ve spent time in the threads there lately, there’s too little humor and camaraderie, not enough asking for clarification or questioning why someone thinks the way they do – it’s attack central all the time. I don’t want my kitchen to be that hot. I want people to enjoy this space, not feel like it’s a war zone. Let them all come – left, right and the apolitical and not worry about being verbally assaulted for sharing their views. They may have to defend their points of view, but they shouldn’t have to worry about being personally attacked.
Paul M. – I’ve visited that good site a few times, unfortunately it’s a small drop in the bucket. I know there are Muslims out there trying to turn the tide, but their numbers need to increase a ten-thousandfold.
I don’t think the West will win the war on terror. We may kill some of the killers, but until the majority of practicing muslim people vehemently reject the religious leaders (and certain ruling government elites) that support the radical branch of their faith, we’ll always be dealing with islamic terrorism.
Javed, I happen to know that many of the people commenting here, and I’m sure several of the thousands who have viewed this post, have lost loved ones to terrorism. I am sorry for your loss, but it’s not a rare or singular distinction.
You seem to assume that the collective anger you see expressed towards islam causes terrorism, I think you have that backwards.
We have learned many things since 9/11, one of those facts is that most islamic terrorists come from middle class families., particularly the men who plan, organize and fund these acts of violence. These men who kill in the name of Allah are are well educated and have suffered no privation. I’m sure the foot soldiers who plant IEDs, strap themselves with explosives and throw acid in little girl’s faces come from the underbelly of those societies, where is your outrage for the madrassa’s that spew these young men into the world?
I assume you’re a liberal. After scolding our anger, I wonder why you didn’t rail against the oppressive societies that keep the majority of their people in ignorant poverty or the radical religious leaders who indoctrinate this murderous mindset? Maybe you could have spared a shred of outrage for the rampant misogyny that dominates islamic society?
It’s easy to disdain our righteous anger, much harder to criticize the real source of problem – general islamic apathy and the acceptance of murderous radicalism as a natural branch of their faith.
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“Have ANY of you even tried to intelligibly grasp the social circumstances that produce the kind of hatred that leads to attacks like the one in Mumbai? ”
It is not social circumstances, Javed, that produce that hatred. It is the abominable heritage of 14 centuries of arab/muslim supremacism, glory in mass slaughter, and arrogant intoxication with the direct instructions of the deranged and genocidal “Prophet” Mohammed to kill infidels that produces it. (What part of “kill” is difficult to understand?)
If social circumstances, such as poverty, were to blame, we would be fearing and fighting the Dalits of India, the desparately poor Buddhist fishermen of Burma or the psychologically and socially savaged Copts of Egypt. We aren’t. Islam is the violent enemy, and only a determined and superior countervailing violent response will defeat it.
mahons, and javed-
A more basic thing that jihadis despise is weakness. They may thrive on counter-attacks and escalation of violence, but their fury does not diminish when their victims ask for mercy or their enemies give them quarter.
This syndrome in turn stems from their Arab-derived (or Arab) culture of shame and honor. There’s tons of info on this that is easily accessible and as dry and academic as you like. Certain mentalities are nearly impossible for Western minds to grasp and this is one of them, along with the inclusive-holistic nature of Islam. The reverse is equally true and aspects of romance and humor are fascinating examples.
Is it so extraordinary that there should be peoples of extreme ideology that *cannot* coexist fruitfully or peaceably with other cultures? No one expects Eskimos and New Guinea highlanders to live together. Togetherness is human but it is not an abstract, inviolable concept in real life. To understand this fact is to transcend liberalism.
Daphne,
“you nearly called the man a terrorist and I would rather we did not descend into calling each other names, no matter how much we dislike or disagree with another person’s point of view. Play the ball, not the man is the general rule I would like to see followed in the threads.”
It wasn’t a personal attack. I don’t know that person from Adam so why would I attack them? I was playing the ball – it was a response to their words and the idea expressed.
I stand by the remark, too. That comment illustrated the thought process of a terrorist – the ends justify the means – it even illustrated the thought processes of these particular terrorists in Mumbai. Indeed if that idea were acted on, the person doing so would be a terrorist. Someone comes out with something like that and we shouldn’t say anything because their feelings might be hurt?
And sorry but it is beyond ironic to give out about other people not ’speaking out’ about evil ideology, and to let such a comment slide. If nobody says anything then somewhere there is some Muslim posting a post the mirror image of yours – and they’d be right.
“Don’t tell me this isn’t an Islamic issue, the rest of us aren’t practicing murder on a worldwide scale in the name of religion.”
Umm, when you are fighting two wars against a religion, religion is an inherent aspect of said wars. So, yes, you are.
The spread of Christianity beyond its sparse beginnings was done primarily through war and murder; a believe or die mentality.
Hannon – The funny thing if we are making liberal v. conservative points is that Fanatic Islamists are a conservative movement, not a liberal one.
But that is missing the more critical point, as when Fantatical Islamists view Western society the liberal conservative distinctions we have about each other here in the West are about the same as the distinctions we might make about sparrows – ie the yare all the same to us.
In any event I take hope from the example of the Japanese who in the last century where convinced their Emperor was a God and that it was ok to subject much of the World to imperial terror. They’ve reformed (with help), and hopefully so too can others.
Some propose that two eyes for an eye is uncivilized. But when we fail to respond in a manner that our enemy, not our conscience, will understand as certain and confident, he sees only that we have approved of his methods.
The religion of Submission craves submission, and we offer him uncertainty. They cannot bear the idea of equality.
It is useless for sheep and wolves to negotiate what is for dinner.
When someday we look back on the coming wreakage, it will be simple to see what needed to be done, and men will wonder why it was so difficult. The oh-so-civilized will have created the greatest possible number of deaths.
Daphne, I just want to say I posted my comment before your explanation and apology to Frank.
Bill- “The spread of Christianity beyond its sparse beginnings was done primarily through war and murder; a believe or die mentality.”
I hear this time and again. I don’t buy it. Please explain by siting examples.
Daphne, another person has thoughts similar to your post:
http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/enough-of-radical-islam/
There are a lot of people out there who have just had enough with Islamic-driven terrorist attacks. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are Muslims.
Try breaking it down to syllables and it helps to understand:
I-Slam. The militants or terrorists are actually the MILITARY ARM of I-slam.
They share no ethics of the West. They don’t believe “Thou shalt not kill.” It’s not in their ‘holy’ book.
Nor do they understand the Golden Rule at all, since their ideology is ‘Submission’, or slavery, and all joyfully welcome bad attentions from their superiors. (Shades of deSade)
Remember ‘taqqiya’ when one claims to be ‘moderate.’
A few cracks in the dam? One can hope:
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?col=%A7ion=opinion&xfile=data/opinion/2008/November/opinion_November122.xml
http://www.thenational.ae/article/20081130/OPINION/621078913/1080
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Very nicely put, Daphne.
I’ve e-mailed the link to several of my friends.
Daphne,
I’ve quoted you and linked to you here: http://consul-at-arms2.blogspot.com/2009/01/re-scheherazade-needs-new-tale.html
That was great. Can I have sum-more please?
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Daphne,
You have said both vitriolically and eloquently all that my heart has contained since 9/11. I believe, fervently and passionately, in a world that works for everyone. I hold malice towards no person indiscriminately, but Islam is an institution that engenders only revulsion in my soul. It is a pseudo-religion, much like Scientology (which was devised for the sole purpose of enriching its founder), whose aim was to slake the bloodlust, greed for power and pedophilic perversion of its fascistic founder, Mohammed (MHBEFITABAP).
The Koran is a mass of confusion, from beginning to end. Mohammed (MHBEFITABAP), although illiterate, knew exactly what he was doing when he dictated this miscarriage – it was designed to enforce absolute loyalty and justify any form of violence to anyone who might challenge his own supremacy. It is a license for wholesale abuse of humanity.
Thank for speaking out clearly and without equivocation about a menace that threatens world peace in such a way that the cold war looks like a pissing contest in comparison.
MHBEFITABAP, by the way, is my preferred abbreviation to honor the Prophet: “May he be eternally f*ed in the @$$ by a pig”.
Frank O’Dwyer,
“We were better than them” makes on any civilization’s tombstone a nice epitaph.
Daphne,
A stirring post on a second read…
One point I did not see in 2008 is your assertion that SE Asia is swimming with Muslims and that this is underreported. This is not true. Except for Malaysia, they only form small minorities in Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam. But they are troublesome as always, as in southern Thailand and in Burma. (I am excluding Indonesia, which is not part of SEA).
Cheers,